Norway to reduce F-35 order?

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Unread post05 Oct 2017, 01:18

Either heat transfer or something to shape the flow.
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Unread post05 Oct 2017, 16:38

Wouldn't surprise me if they tapped off some of the bypass flow and ducted it through some structure, and are re-injecting that cooler bypass flow back at the "tail feathers". That would seem to decrease temperature (and IR signature) of the structure, while at the same time increasing turbulent mixing of cooler air into the jet exhaust, decreasing the IR signature of the jet exhaust itself.
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post30 Oct 2017, 14:20

The three birds (5148 - 5150) for the RNoAF are now formally delivered, and are scheduled to land at Ørland MAB thursday nov. 2nd at 1400 CET. As mentioned, these are 3F jets - and will be delivered without the chute and housing - which are already in norway, and will be ready on arrival. Formal ceremony will still be nov 10th, after restenciling and prepping. This is also the RNoAFs 73rd birthday.

Maj. Morten "Dolby" Hanche is onsite @Ørlandet, handling OT&E.

Article:

https://www.tu.no/artikler/f-35-flyene- ... rge/410975

Translated, fairly OK:

https://translate.google.com/translate? ... edit-text=
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Unread post30 Oct 2017, 16:26

Hurrah for the Norsemen!

When is Norway planning on declaring IOC? How many aircraft will be in service there in Norway at that time?
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post30 Oct 2017, 16:30

Best I could gather from the Google-translated article is late 2019 for Norwegian F-35 IOC. And no weapons carriage until then. Article did not state how many Norwegian F-35s at that time.
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post30 Oct 2017, 16:34

krorvik wrote:The three birds (5148 - 5150) for the RNoAF are now formally delivered, and are scheduled to land at Ørland MAB thursday nov. 2nd at 1400 CET. As mentioned, these are 3F jets - and will be delivered without the chute and housing - which are already in norway, and will be ready on arrival. Formal ceremony will still be nov 10th, after restenciling and prepping. This is also the RNoAFs 73rd birthday.

Maj. Morten "Dolby" Hanche is onsite @Ørlandet, handling OT&E.



Is there a chance that good Major will throw a nice demo using that 3F g-unrestricted jet in honor of RNoAF?
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Unread post30 Oct 2017, 17:04

steve2267 wrote:When is Norway planning on declaring IOC? How many aircraft will be in service there in Norway at that time?
3rd qtr 2019

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Unread post30 Oct 2017, 18:52

Can I use that image for other occasions? ;)

Yes, IOC for 2019. And extremely unlikely that we'll see the RNoAF show off for a while.
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Unread post30 Oct 2017, 18:56

krorvik wrote:
Yes, IOC for 2019. And extremely unlikely that we'll see the RNoAF show off for a while.


WHAT!?! No sneaking up on Gripens ???? Awwww.....

:bang:
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post30 Oct 2017, 19:11

steve2267 wrote:Article did not state how many Norwegian F-35s at that time.


Proc plan says 3 this year, 6 for 2018, and 6 for 2019. So my guess is ~ 15@IOC. F-35s will start taking operational missions in 2022, while the vipers will start going to the shredder. Last delivery is in 2024, at which point FOC is reached.

steve2267 wrote:WHAT!?! No sneaking up on Gripens ???? Awwww.....
:bang:


I'm looking forward to seeing the faces on some swedish friends when Northern Ace gets going with F-35s... :devil:
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Unread post30 Oct 2017, 19:27

I'm not quite sure how the Swedes could pull it off... but if they were smart, at that point they would "borrow" some Finn F-35's, paint them with the Swedish roundel, to try to surprise you Norwegians. Somehow I don't think this is an option. :drool: :mrgreen:
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post30 Oct 2017, 19:29

krorvik wrote:
steve2267 wrote:while the vipers will start going to the shredder.


Awww... say it isn't so... don't you have a boneyard up there somewhere above the arctic circle? Can't you freeze 'em or something? (Say on Svalbard?) Will they have any hours left on the airframe, or will the Norske Vipers be all used up at that point?
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post30 Oct 2017, 20:18

Unfortunately, handing off military equipment of that kind is hard - due to US regulations among others. Norwegian law ain't easy either.

Some more info from earlier this year:

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2017/01 ... -16-fleet/

Maybe they'll sell me the 666 ("Christine") tail for a case of beers... would look cool in the garden.

(edit: typo)
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Unread post30 Oct 2017, 20:39

Norwegian DoD confirms the event on nov 10th will be streamed live. I'll try to post an URL here when available.
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