South Korea resets Fighter Jet bidding

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Unread post22 Dec 2017, 02:58

mas wrote:The more important question is will there be more F-35s built than F-16s ? Probably, in the end by say 2045-50.


Now that would be one hell of a death spiral!

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Unread post22 Dec 2017, 03:09

blindpilot wrote:
mas wrote:The more important question is will there be more F-35s built than F-16s ? Probably, in the end by say 2045-50.


Now that would be one hell of a death spiral!

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I'll be happy as long as they beat Fulcrums. Su-30M##/-35S' are doable by 2025.
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Unread post22 Dec 2017, 04:24

blindpilot wrote:
mas wrote:The more important question is will there be more F-35s built than F-16s ? Probably, in the end by say 2045-50.


Now that would be one hell of a death spiral!

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....with the "optionally manned" B-21 Raider expected to enter combat service by 2025 and the evolution of electronics/ avionics should allow for the development of new a/c prior to 2035 (15yrs.) and should cap the production of the F-35 for the US and the allies at that time. The production demand should complete the 3,000+ a/c, as was planned from todays 260+. The 180 total production per year may be parceled out to FW and the FACOs in Italy and Japan. The additional purchases by "new" allies should allow for a reduction in the F-35 US replacement program a/c (F-15C?) and identify the need for "new" a/c designs from the matured F-35/ B-21 programs, PCA comes to mind.
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... the F-35 may be flying in 2050 but long after (15yrs.) production is completed.
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Unread post23 Dec 2017, 11:06

There are just so many old jets that will eventually need replacing I can see the F-35 going past the 5k mark this century. I don't see production ending in 2035 more like 2055.
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Unread post23 Dec 2017, 12:17

mas wrote:There are just so many old jets that will eventually need replacing I can see the F-35 going past the 5k mark this century. I don't see production ending in 2035 more like 2055.

An then one day in say 20 or 30 years when the F-35 replacement will be under development we'll be hearing the same old tired argument "why do we need the F-45 when the F-35 is a proven design that is cheap and reliable" and such nonsense. I guess the reaction on these forums will again be :roll: :roll:
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Unread post23 Dec 2017, 12:38

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mas wrote:There are just so many old jets that will eventually need replacing I can see the F-35 going past the 5k mark this century. I don't see production ending in 2035 more like 2055.

An then one day in say 20 or 30 years when the F-35 replacement will be under development we'll be hearing the same old tired argument "why do we need the F-45 when the F-35 is a proven design that is cheap and reliable" and such nonsense. I guess the reaction on these forums will again be :roll: :roll:

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Your almost certainly right. Every old argument is simple recycled. The problem is most people can't remember they've been over the same ground before. We didn't need the B-52 because we had more advanced bombers coming down the pipeline. Then the B-52 was good enough to do the job for the foreseeable future. Over 50 years for the H Model. That's some long view.
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Unread post23 Dec 2017, 14:52

hythelday wrote:
blindpilot wrote:
mas wrote:The more important question is will there be more F-35s built than F-16s ? Probably, in the end by say 2045-50.


Now that would be one hell of a death spiral!

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I'll be happy as long as they beat Fulcrums. Su-30M##/-35S' are doable by 2025.



That's doable now.
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Unread post24 Dec 2017, 13:15

XanderCrews wrote:
hythelday wrote:I'll be happy as long as they beat Fulcrums. Su-30M##/-35S' are doable by 2025.



That's doable now.


Number-wise. There are roughly 500 Flankers that Russians call "4++ gen" birds. There should be almost twice as many F-35s in wirldwide fleets by 2025.
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Unread post24 Dec 2017, 13:50

When large numbers of F-35 outnumber Russian and Chinese Flankers, Fulcrums, and Vigorous Dragon what happens? I cannot imagine a general panic will not set in.
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Unread post24 Dec 2017, 15:57

hythelday wrote:
XanderCrews wrote:
hythelday wrote:I'll be happy as long as they beat Fulcrums. Su-30M##/-35S' are doable by 2025.



That's doable now.


Number-wise. There are roughly 500 Flankers that Russians call "4++ gen" birds. There should be almost twice as many F-35s in wirldwide fleets by 2025.



Sorry thought combat capability, not numbers. My mistake
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Unread post25 Dec 2017, 03:37

combat wise the correct definition is "F35, not even close"
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Unread post26 Dec 2017, 15:12

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I'll be happy as long as they beat Fulcrums. Su-30M##/-35S' are doable by 2025.[/quote]


That's doable now.[/quote]

I was going to say!
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Unread post02 Jan 2018, 21:59

Interesting use of 'doubles' in an 'off topic' part of this article - only F-35 excerpts below though - more on other stuff....?
North Korean Threat Prompts New Japan, Korean Buys
02 Jan 2017 Chen Chuanren

"...Meanwhile, the Republic of Korea will reportedly exercise an option to buy at least 20 more Lockheed Martin F-35s, again in response to North Korean belligerence....

...According to the Joongang Ilbo newspaper, Korea’s Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) has begun the acquisition process for 20 additional Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II stealth fighters. However, Israeli website Defence Industry Daily said that other Korean reports suggested the additional order could be for 26 jets, including six F-35B STOVL versions for operation from a Korean Navy assault ship that is now under construction. The Republic of Korea Air Force (ROKAF) ordered 40 F-35As in 2014, and the first airframe is expected to roll out this year.

The F-35s will be part of South Korea’s “kill-chain' pre-emptive strike plan, which involves a series of planned strategic strikes to supposedly eliminate North Korea’s key offensive capabilities in the event of war."

Source: https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... orean-buys
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Unread post02 Jan 2018, 23:02

spazsinbad wrote:Interesting use of 'doubles' in an 'off topic' part of this article - only F-35 excerpts below though - more on other stuff....?
North Korean Threat Prompts New Japan, Korean Buys
02 Jan 2017 Chen Chuanren

"...Meanwhile, the Republic of Korea will reportedly exercise an option to buy at least 20 more Lockheed Martin F-35s, again in response to North Korean belligerence....

...According to the Joongang Ilbo newspaper, Korea’s Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) has begun the acquisition process for 20 additional Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II stealth fighters. However, Israeli website Defence Industry Daily said that other Korean reports suggested the additional order could be for 26 jets, including six F-35B STOVL versions for operation from a Korean Navy assault ship that is now under construction. The Republic of Korea Air Force (ROKAF) ordered 40 F-35As in 2014, and the first airframe is expected to roll out this year.

The F-35s will be part of South Korea’s “kill-chain' pre-emptive strike plan, which involves a series of planned strategic strikes to supposedly eliminate North Korea’s key offensive capabilities in the event of war."

Source: https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... orean-buys


....Geez!, next thing we'll hear is Israel ordering "Bees"!
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Unread post03 Jan 2018, 03:07

There is absolutely zero threat from NK to require F-35Bs onboard LHDs for South Korea (or Japan for that matter). The real threat to SLOCs is really from a bigger neighbor that no ones wants to name esp after THAAD had already caused in terms of economic impacts.
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