South Korea resets Fighter Jet bidding

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Unread post05 Jan 2018, 11:48

spazsinbad wrote:I'm guessing you did not read or ignored this article posted earlier - on another thread - a plague upon multiple threads:

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"...A bolt-on 45’ ski jump is under development, and the flight deck is coated with ablative urethane. Both features have no other use than V/STOL aircraft employment. Both elevators are sized to handle F-35-sized planes. None the less, the South Korean government continues to deny that it is interested in the F-35B Joint Strike Fighter. If it were equipped with a ski jump board module, 15-17 meters in length, it could operate short-range and vertical landing/take-off aircraft such as the Harrier or F-35B. Ships of this type are sometimes called a semi-aircraft carrier. The flight deck is coated with special Urethane to resist heat generated from aircraft. However, Korean military authorities have made it clear that they have no plan to convert the LPX into such a semi-aircraft carrier...." https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... k/lp-x.htm



Sorry missed the article. I'm surprised a helicopter carrier would have elevators so large, and powerful. I also assume the Hanger Deck is equally accommodating? Still seems strange to me that SK would want to order not more then 20 F-35Bs, unless they plan to base a number of squadrons ashore. This doesn't sound like a small investment. ROK Marines must have more influence then I thought.
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Unread post05 Jan 2018, 13:18

Not going to happen. NK waters is going to be mined or sub-risk. You won't want to send a LHD with just 6 F-35Bs just for that when its easier and safer to just send many more F-35As across the 200km northwards into NK (or less once GBU-39/53s ranges are factored in).

There's really only 1 reason imho why Bs would be useful for South Korea and that's SLOC defense.


Operating against North Korea doesn't mean getting into North Korean waters. Mines are not going to be very effective 200nm off shore, and neither are mini-subs or most diesel subs. Just too much area to cover with too slow boats.

In any case I kind of agree with you that carriers (mini) and F-35Bs are not needed against North Korea. But I also agree with others that South Korea can afford it, and hence no reason not to do it.

Looking at ROK's Navy, I get the feeling North Korea isn't their main concern :wink: Nork rust buckets and fishing trawlers probably don't require 18 modern large diesel submarines, 9 large air-defense destroyers, and 4 resupply ships (along with dozens of smaller vessels which would be more suited towards the Nork threat). That's a large enough navy to take on Russia, not North Korea. Everyone knows why these boats are there and who the threat is in the Pacific.
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Unread post05 Jan 2018, 14:07

tincansailor wrote:Sorry missed the article. I'm surprised a helicopter carrier would have elevators so large, and powerful. I also assume the Hanger Deck is equally accommodating? Still seems strange to me that SK would want to order not more then 20 F-35Bs, unless they plan to base a number of squadrons ashore. This doesn't sound like a small investment. ROK Marines must have more influence then I thought.


Not if you thought you might have to handle a CH-47 or -53 in a pinch.
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Unread post05 Jan 2018, 16:32

Wikipedia states that Dokdo-class is able to support UH-1N, MH-60P, or Super Lynx. Lynx is 12.4' high, but UH-60 series is 16'10" high. F-35 is 14'2" high. It would appear height of the hangar deck is not an issue. Good call on the elevators, but as spaz pointed out, they have already been sized for that.

Seems that someone in the ROK Navy had an eye towards the future when they spec'd out the Dokdo class.
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Unread post05 Jan 2018, 19:28

Asian Carriers By the Numbers
29 Aug 2013 Kyle Mizokami

"...The aircraft carrier building spree has been highlighted by the recent turn in world attention to Asia. Reports characterizing the development of these ships as an “arms race” miss an important point: although there has been a considerable ramping up of tensions in Asia among its major powers, construction of all of these vessels predates such tension. The construction of carriers could be considered a logical expansion of seapower by the nations involved, especially those whose economies rely on overseas commerce...."

Source: https://news.usni.org/2013/08/29/asian- ... he-numbers

IMDEX Asia: South Korea Constructing Second LPH
14 May 2017 Shephard Media

"...The new LPH, expected to launch in April 2018 as ROKS Marado, will measure 199.4m in length and 31m in beam. These dimensions confirm the ship is the same size as ROKS Dokdo, although the design will feature improvements based on first-of-class experience....

...A graphic released by DAPA showed landing spaces for five aircraft on the flat-top's flight deck. Interestingly, the image showed Bell Boeing V-22 Ospreys aboard the ship, even though there has been no formal announcement that South Korea is interested in the tiltrotor. One anticipated improvement is the ability to accommodate Ospreys on a reinforced flight deck and enlarged hangar bay...."

Source: http://www.ausa.myindustrytracker.com/e ... second-lph

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Unread post05 Jan 2018, 19:31

arian wrote:...There's really only 1 reason imho why Bs would be useful for South Korea and that's SLOC defense...
Looking at ROK's Navy, I get the feeling North Korea isn't their main concern :wink: .... 18 modern large diesel submarines, 9 large air-defense destroyers, and 4 resupply ships (along with dozens of smaller vessels which would be more suited towards the Nork threat).... Everyone knows why these boats are there and who the threat is in the Pacific.


....Yes, IMHO, this build up is two fold;
1 - to insure SK ability to defend the SK maritime economy with the world, SLOC defense.
2 - to maintain technical compatibility/ support with their allies (other maritime economies/ militaries). Not all of SK's threats are "rust buckets", as you indicated. (a defense 2% GNP is not as difficult as Germany contends, while depending on the other 2% EU/ NATO members)
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Unread post29 Mar 2018, 06:44

South Korean delegation presses for F-35 MRO&U contracts
28 Mar 2018 Garrett Reim

"A South Korean official [chairman of South Korean's parliamentary defence committee, Kim Hack-yong] on 28 March pressed the US Department of Defense to grant maintenance, repair, overhaul and upgrade contracts for the Lockheed Martin F-35A Lighting II to Korean companies during a speech at a roll-out ceremony in Fort Worth, Texas....

...Hack-yong also said that he was concerned with the delays and slow pace of delivery of weapons systems ordered by South Korea. It was not clear from his speech specifically which weapons systems he was referring to.

South Korea's first F-35A was delivered about 3.5 years after the country ordered 40 aircraft in a deal worth $7 billion. When the deal was signed in September 2014, South Korea expected to take delivery of the first F-35A this year, suggesting the programme is on track...."

Source: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... tr-447174/
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Unread post20 Apr 2018, 17:54

Who would want to do business with South Korea, Canada or India, what a nightmare; but that is the way it is these days.
South Korea’s F-35 purchase under probe
20 Apr 2018 Jeff Jeong

"SEOUL, South Korea — Despite the celebrated rollout of the first F-35 Lightning II fighter jet for the South Korean Air Force last month, the fifth-generation stealth aircraft is not widely welcomed by the Seoul government. The contract of procuring 40 F-35As signed under the former Park Geun-hye administration has been under intensive investigation with regard to possible influence-peddling over the Lockheed Martin-built multirole fighter’s selection process and price lobbying. The Board of Audit and Inspection of Korea, or BAI, has widened its probe against the F-35 selection from Seoul’s 2014 F-X III competition, according to defense sources.... [much more blah blah blah at the URL]

...A Lockheed Martin spokesperson pointed out that the price contract was signed between the governments of Korea and the United States. “Any price contract was made between the two governments under the FMS, so we’re not in a position to comment,” the spokesperson told Defense News. DAPA spokesman Kang said he could not reveal the contents of the revised F-35 contract, but added that “the price fixing is true.”

Some local experts believe the probe into the F-35 deal could have a negative impact on the Air Force’s plan of introducing 20 more F-35As. “As inter-Korean relations begin to thaw, the military leadership keeps a low key on weapons procurement programs such as the F-35,” said Kim Dae-young, a research fellow at Korea Research Institute for National Strategy. “In the meantime, the probe into the previous F-35 acquisition could affect new procurement plans.”

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Unread post13 Sep 2018, 06:30

Marine Corps mulls new transport ship, UAVs to reinforce amphibious capabilities
12 Sep 2018 YONHAP

"SEOUL, Sept. 12 (Yonhap) -- The Marine Corps is considering introducing a large transport ship capable of carrying warplanes, and mobilizing unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) to enhance its amphibious operations and surveillance capabilities, its chief said Wednesday.

During his keynote speech at a security seminar, Lt. Gen. Jun Jin-goo also expressed his desire to capitalize on robotics and other cutting-edge technologies to enhance the marines' maritime power projection capabilities. "We are considering building the LPX (large platform experimental)-type ship capable of carrying aircraft in close cooperation with the Navy," Jun said.

He did not specify what aircraft will be carried by the envisioned ship. But observers say that the commander might have in mind the F-35B, a short takeoff and vertical landing variant of the U.S.-made radar-evading fighter. The Marine Corps appears to want to secure its own LPX ship apart from the 14,000-ton Dokdo amphibious landing ship and the Marado warship, which are currently in operation and under construction, respectively...."

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