Dutch MoD choose definitely for F-35
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Same CMDx article posted two days ago here: viewtopic.php?f=61&t=57285&p=443512&hilit=CMDx#p443512
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spazsinbad wrote:Same CMDx article posted two days ago here: viewtopic.php?f=61&t=57285&p=443512&hilit=CMDx#p443512
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Annual 2020 Dutch F35 program report (in Dutch) with takeaways. Please excuse if some of this info has been previously posted.
Caveat- takeaways are my interpretation via google translate so conclusions may be inaccurate due to nuances of translation algorithm.
-5 of the 8 Cat 1 deficiencies should be resolved by the end of 2020 and the remaining 3 in 2021
- Dutch fleet has relatively high operational readiness and is able to achieve planned flying hours
- GAO states that 2020 report will be last separate annual report, because after achieving milestone C, the program is considered a regular program.
- Most IOT&E tests have been carried out with exception of JSE which are expected to be completed Q42020 or Q12021
- JPO cost estimates for C2D2 for period 2019-2025 are included in Dutch estimates for operating costs.
- The Dutch will set up their own cloud environment for ODIN to ensure it’s own management of Dutch F35 fleet. The cost of the Dutch cloud environment is included in F35 acquistion budget.
- The Dutch do not recognise the issues US units are experiencing with ALIS. They believe this is due to different organisation of Dutch ALIS enterprise and Dutch experience and knowledge gained by having embedded ALIS specialists in program since 2013.
- The Japanese F35A that crashed in 2019 has been found, and spatial disorientation reason for accident. Dutch aircraft have now been upgraded with Auto GCAS capability.
- Issues with F35A gun (bolts on gun suspension system vibrating loose, cracks in ‘plating’) resolutions have been instigated, with a design change to resolve loosening bolts and a temporary mod in place for cracking which will be implemented from Lot14 on. The accuracy issue has been resolved by a new software load that has been certified.
- 15% of canopies have been found to have the delamination issue, which hinders pilot visibility and the ability to discharge static electricity. The issue is due to new sealant kits introduced in 2017. The issue has been resolved by reverting to older sealant kit. The deficiency cannot be corrected and canopy must be replaced. Due to insufficient canopies being available, this is having a negative impact on availability. A second canopy manufacturer has been qualified and shortages should be overcome Q1 2022
- As a result of the F35A crash at Eglin in Apr2020 an addition has been made to the pilot checklist as a corrective measure.
- The discovery of damaged OBIGGS pipes inside a fuel tank has resulted in temporary restrictions of flying within 25nm of storm cells and protecting aircraft on ground within 10nm of same.
- During SDD the F35A has met the requirements of the 6 mission types required of Dutch fleet
- The current Dutch program budget for 46 F35A of €$6013.7m includes a risk reserve of €$131.1m. The budget exceeds the current program estimate of €$5834.7 by €$170m
- This report, for the first time, includes costs that were previously not allocated to Project such as facility support, workplace automation, placements abroad, training /course, business trips and exercises.
- Making the operating estimate incorparate the extra integrated costs has resulted in an estimated average annual increase in cost over the entire lifespan of €$111.7m.
- Average annual operating budget for 2020-2025 €$397.5m, average estimated operating cost is €$394.3m
- F35 has Average annual operating budget for it’s lifespan of €$594.4m which is adjusted annually for wage and price level changes and currency movements.
- The operating forecasts are conservative.
- A new PSFD MoU (Production Sustainment and Follow-on Development) is currently being drawn up which excludes Turkey. This MOU will include significantly higher cost ceilings. These amounts have already been included in Dutch F35 project estimates.The new PSFD MoU will be set for the life of the aircaft, Dutch CSR (Cost share ratio) of PSFD MoU will increase from 1.238% to 1.535% due to purchase of extra 9 jets.
- The estimate for total potential Dutch production turnover until end of production in 2045 is €$9b. The report authors don’t believe there is any need to revise this estimate, however they do see a downside in that more nations are pushing for industrial participation which means greater competition for Dutch industry.
- The price the Netherlands pay for the jet is determined per production contract, and depends on the number of jets built in that lot.
- The estimate for 9 extra F35 ordered in 2019 is €$982.7m and this fits within the allocated budget.
- The Dutch will mainly carry out Air Vehicle maintenance (including modifications) themselves rather than outsourcing which has resulted in reduced costs.
- Expected Dutch royalties for sales to FMS customers are €$258,500 per aircraft and €$31,200 per engine.
Caveat- takeaways are my interpretation via google translate so conclusions may be inaccurate due to nuances of translation algorithm.
-5 of the 8 Cat 1 deficiencies should be resolved by the end of 2020 and the remaining 3 in 2021
- Dutch fleet has relatively high operational readiness and is able to achieve planned flying hours
- GAO states that 2020 report will be last separate annual report, because after achieving milestone C, the program is considered a regular program.
- Most IOT&E tests have been carried out with exception of JSE which are expected to be completed Q42020 or Q12021
- JPO cost estimates for C2D2 for period 2019-2025 are included in Dutch estimates for operating costs.
- The Dutch will set up their own cloud environment for ODIN to ensure it’s own management of Dutch F35 fleet. The cost of the Dutch cloud environment is included in F35 acquistion budget.
- The Dutch do not recognise the issues US units are experiencing with ALIS. They believe this is due to different organisation of Dutch ALIS enterprise and Dutch experience and knowledge gained by having embedded ALIS specialists in program since 2013.
- The Japanese F35A that crashed in 2019 has been found, and spatial disorientation reason for accident. Dutch aircraft have now been upgraded with Auto GCAS capability.
- Issues with F35A gun (bolts on gun suspension system vibrating loose, cracks in ‘plating’) resolutions have been instigated, with a design change to resolve loosening bolts and a temporary mod in place for cracking which will be implemented from Lot14 on. The accuracy issue has been resolved by a new software load that has been certified.
- 15% of canopies have been found to have the delamination issue, which hinders pilot visibility and the ability to discharge static electricity. The issue is due to new sealant kits introduced in 2017. The issue has been resolved by reverting to older sealant kit. The deficiency cannot be corrected and canopy must be replaced. Due to insufficient canopies being available, this is having a negative impact on availability. A second canopy manufacturer has been qualified and shortages should be overcome Q1 2022
- As a result of the F35A crash at Eglin in Apr2020 an addition has been made to the pilot checklist as a corrective measure.
- The discovery of damaged OBIGGS pipes inside a fuel tank has resulted in temporary restrictions of flying within 25nm of storm cells and protecting aircraft on ground within 10nm of same.
- During SDD the F35A has met the requirements of the 6 mission types required of Dutch fleet
- The current Dutch program budget for 46 F35A of €$6013.7m includes a risk reserve of €$131.1m. The budget exceeds the current program estimate of €$5834.7 by €$170m
- This report, for the first time, includes costs that were previously not allocated to Project such as facility support, workplace automation, placements abroad, training /course, business trips and exercises.
- Making the operating estimate incorparate the extra integrated costs has resulted in an estimated average annual increase in cost over the entire lifespan of €$111.7m.
- Average annual operating budget for 2020-2025 €$397.5m, average estimated operating cost is €$394.3m
- F35 has Average annual operating budget for it’s lifespan of €$594.4m which is adjusted annually for wage and price level changes and currency movements.
- The operating forecasts are conservative.
- A new PSFD MoU (Production Sustainment and Follow-on Development) is currently being drawn up which excludes Turkey. This MOU will include significantly higher cost ceilings. These amounts have already been included in Dutch F35 project estimates.The new PSFD MoU will be set for the life of the aircaft, Dutch CSR (Cost share ratio) of PSFD MoU will increase from 1.238% to 1.535% due to purchase of extra 9 jets.
- The estimate for total potential Dutch production turnover until end of production in 2045 is €$9b. The report authors don’t believe there is any need to revise this estimate, however they do see a downside in that more nations are pushing for industrial participation which means greater competition for Dutch industry.
- The price the Netherlands pay for the jet is determined per production contract, and depends on the number of jets built in that lot.
- The estimate for 9 extra F35 ordered in 2019 is €$982.7m and this fits within the allocated budget.
- The Dutch will mainly carry out Air Vehicle maintenance (including modifications) themselves rather than outsourcing which has resulted in reduced costs.
- Expected Dutch royalties for sales to FMS customers are €$258,500 per aircraft and €$31,200 per engine.
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operaaperta wrote:Annual 2020 Dutch F35 program report (in Dutch) with takeaways. Please excuse if some of this info has been previously posted.
Caveat- takeaways are my interpretation via google translate so conclusions may be inaccurate due to nuances of translation algorithm.
Grrreat find and summery, thank's!
A quick glance shows that the Dutch so far has received industrial orders totalling 1911 million USD. As a comparison the Noggies orders currently stand at ca. 810 million USD.
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Thanks for the 'takeaways' 'operaaperta'. Much of interest and to me this one I hope may be clarified one day (put the wheels down & check 3 greens?): "... - As a result of the F35A crash at Eglin in Apr2020 an addition has been made to the pilot checklist as a corrective measure...."
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Bolts hold up Dutch F-35 deliveries [wot a good headline]
Dec 2020 AirForces Monthly Magazine
"NETHERLANDS The arrival of the two latest Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning IIs for the Royal Netherlands Air Force (RNLAF) suffered a delay caused by production related inspections.
The two Dutch F-35s, serial numbers F-013 and F-014 and respective construction numbers AN-13 and AN-14, had to be inspected when some of the bolts were found to be incorrect.
While checking an Italian F-35 at the Cameri factory in Italy, deviations were found in the length of some bolts attaching panels to the aircraft. Inspecting other F-35s led to similar discrepancies being discovered. Consequently, the RNLAF’s AN-13 arrived at Leeuwarden Air Base four weeks late on October 27, and AN-14 was expected two weeks late in mid-November.
A timeframe is being established to check the four F-35s already operating with the RNLAF.
“The problem does not pose a safety risk and F-35 flying will continue as normal,” the Dutch Ministry of Defence said."
Source: AirForces Monthly Magazine December 2020 Issue 393
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Royal Netherlands Air Force F-35 flies in the snow.@5:00~ 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB7O96_GbVM
(CooooL)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB7O96_GbVM
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go4long wrote:Interesting that from that angle it appears that the F-35's in mil power are rotating maybe a few hundred feet later than the F-16's in full burner.
The F-35 makes up to 28,000 lbs in Military Power. Which, is a few thousands pounds more than the F-16 in Afterburner!
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Corsair1963 wrote:go4long wrote:Interesting that from that angle it appears that the F-35's in mil power are rotating maybe a few hundred feet later than the F-16's in full burner.
The F-35 makes up to 28,000 lbs in Military Power. Which, is a few thousands pounds more than the F-16 in Afterburner!
True and T/W ratio is not that different either between F-35A with full internal fuel on dry thrust and F-16 with -220 engine and 2 underwing EFTs and with full AB.
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Typhoon was really something else in the HX challenge publicity reels in this regard.
https://youtu.be/RJFS9VZ94dw?t=66
(with burners, classic Hornet to without burners immediately follows for convenient comparison)
https://youtu.be/RJFS9VZ94dw?t=66
(with burners, classic Hornet to without burners immediately follows for convenient comparison)
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All dutch F-35 on Leeuwarden grounded as a precaution.
As far as is known, the Netherlands is the only F-35 flying country that has this wear and tear on F-35 engines.
Grit spray on 3 F-35s may have caused engine wear. The grit would come from an anti-slip layer of the runway system at Leeuwarden Air Base. It is being investigated whether this is indeed the cause. The engine wear was discovered on the Frisian base during standard inspections.
Press release about it.
https://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieuws/ ... n-de-grond
As far as is known, the Netherlands is the only F-35 flying country that has this wear and tear on F-35 engines.
Grit spray on 3 F-35s may have caused engine wear. The grit would come from an anti-slip layer of the runway system at Leeuwarden Air Base. It is being investigated whether this is indeed the cause. The engine wear was discovered on the Frisian base during standard inspections.
Press release about it.
https://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieuws/ ... n-de-grond
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go4long wrote:The grounding was lifted again this morning.
That was fast.
Here the press release about it.
https://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieuws/ ... iegen-weer
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F-35s are flying again [translated from above post by 'pron']
23 Apr 2021 News release
"The 1st F-35 took to the air again this morning from Leeuwarden Air Base. This happened after it was announced yesterday that the fighters had to remain on the ground due to engine wear. Splashing grit may be the cause. Extra measures have been taken to prevent so-called foreign object damage.
For example, the airbase runway system is additionally checked for debris. The F-35 has a heavier engine than an F-16 and therefore blows up more grit during taxi.
In consultation with engine manufacturer Pratt and Whitney, it has been determined that the 3 F-35s must be repaired with wear. For the other devices there is no reason to keep them on the ground longer. Thus, the training program can be resumed."
Source: https://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieuws/ ... iegen-weer
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