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Re: Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 pro

Unread postPosted: 16 Mar 2019, 05:54
by spazsinbad
Just when youse thought it was safe.... The ARROW Operating Instructions for Pilots. 151 pages of Canadian Maple Syrup.

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https://docdro.id/TX0irE0 (PDF 5.3Mb) However a TEXT READABLE version attached below. Thank you Mr. SpazSinbad. :roll:

Re: Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 pro

Unread postPosted: 16 Mar 2019, 13:10
by mixelflick
Won't be long before Super Arrow rumors are floated. Should be good for another 300 page thread :)

Re: Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 pro

Unread postPosted: 16 Mar 2019, 13:39
by spazsinbad

Re: Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 pro

Unread postPosted: 17 Mar 2019, 12:44
by mixelflick
I've said it before elsewhere, but the F-15EX is perfect for Canada.

Big, carries an incredible array of air to air weapons, long legs, exceptional radar/sensors and a 20,000 hour airframe life. Precisely what Canada needs for air defense, and swing role lends itself to meeting its NATO obligations.

Plus, who flies their jets longer than Canada? 20,000 hour life suits them perfectly. It'll be expensive, but no aircraft they buy will be inexpensive. Sure, I'd like to see them get the F-35. But the politics/drama and how they run their fighter acquisition process makes India look competent.

F-15EX is right up their alley!

Re: Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 pro

Unread postPosted: 17 Mar 2019, 15:31
by magitsu
It is indeed perfect, because Canada has shown propensity of falling prey to dubious schemes. :wink:

Re: Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 pro

Unread postPosted: 17 Mar 2019, 15:54
by spazsinbad
But says BERTHa BUTt (one of the BUTt Sistas) is the F-15EXtraordinaire NOT a BOING! contraption - CONNIPTIONS suh.

Re: Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 pro

Unread postPosted: 17 Mar 2019, 17:19
by count_to_10
mixelflick wrote:I've said it before elsewhere, but the F-15EX is perfect for Canada.

Big, carries an incredible array of air to air weapons, long legs, exceptional radar/sensors and a 20,000 hour airframe life. Precisely what Canada needs for air defense, and swing role lends itself to meeting its NATO obligations.

Plus, who flies their jets longer than Canada? 20,000 hour life suits them perfectly. It'll be expensive, but no aircraft they buy will be inexpensive. Sure, I'd like to see them get the F-35. But the politics/drama and how they run their fighter acquisition process makes India look competent.

F-15EX is right up their alley!

Except that they could get F-35’s that do more for less.

Re: Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 pro

Unread postPosted: 17 Mar 2019, 20:22
by XanderCrews
mixelflick wrote:I've said it before elsewhere, but the F-15EX is perfect for Canada.

Big, carries an incredible array of air to air weapons, long legs, exceptional radar/sensors and a 20,000 hour airframe life. Precisely what Canada needs for air defense, and swing role lends itself to meeting its NATO obligations.

Plus, who flies their jets longer than Canada? 20,000 hour life suits them perfectly. It'll be expensive, but no aircraft they buy will be inexpensive. Sure, I'd like to see them get the F-35. But the politics/drama and how they run their fighter acquisition process makes India look competent.

F-15EX is right up their alley!



They can't afford it. They especially can't afford it after they accidentally on purpose let it slip that 65 for what is replacing CF-18 won't be enough with their silly "fighter gap" gambit. now theyre on the hook for even more airplanes :doh:


F-15s got rejected decades ago for all the same reasons they would be rejected today by the same country. They simply can't afford it.

Remember what makes F-15Ex so seductive is the idea that the US is already an F-15 operator so all the hard work is mostly done, all the capital invested etc etc. Canada will have no such "head start"

Re: Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 pro

Unread postPosted: 18 Mar 2019, 00:30
by Corsair1963
mixelflick wrote:I've said it before elsewhere, but the F-15EX is perfect for Canada.

Big, carries an incredible array of air to air weapons, long legs, exceptional radar/sensors and a 20,000 hour airframe life. Precisely what Canada needs for air defense, and swing role lends itself to meeting its NATO obligations.

Plus, who flies their jets longer than Canada? 20,000 hour life suits them perfectly. It'll be expensive, but no aircraft they buy will be inexpensive. Sure, I'd like to see them get the F-35. But the politics/drama and how they run their fighter acquisition process makes India look competent.

F-15EX is right up their alley!


What??? The F-15EX or whatever they decide to call it. Is no more survivable than any other 4/4.5 Generation Fighter. (Rafale, Gripen, Typhoon, Super Hornet, etc.)

So, again how would the F-15EX be perfect for Canada??? :?

Re: Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 pro

Unread postPosted: 18 Mar 2019, 00:37
by marsavian
Two engines, large range, big radar to spot/track incoming, long life to suit Canadian interests. Only problem is Boeing make them. Actually a Block 3 Super Hornet with CFTs would match the same criteria. Does Canada really need stealth in their generally defensive posture ?

Re: Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 pro

Unread postPosted: 18 Mar 2019, 00:40
by Corsair1963
marsavian wrote:Two engines, large range, big radar to spot/track incoming, long life to suit Canadian interests. Only problem is Boeing make them. Actually a Block 3 Super Hornet with CFTs would match the same criteria. Does Canada really need stealth in their generally defensive posture ?



The F-35A has better Range, Sensors, and Stealth.....This while being cheaper and already in production.

Re: Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 pro

Unread postPosted: 18 Mar 2019, 00:50
by marsavian
Eagles with full CFT/EFT are quoted at 1000nm combat radius which current F-35 specification can't match. Eagle has a bigger AESA than F-35 and if your prime reason for being is intercepting Blackjacks, Backfires, Bears and any missiles they are carrying why exactly do you need stealth ? Surely a fast rangy interceptor with big radar and missile capacity might be better suited. F-35 is not the answer to every fighter requirement.

Re: Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 pro

Unread postPosted: 18 Mar 2019, 00:58
by Corsair1963
marsavian wrote:Eagles with full CFT/EFT are quoted at 1000nm combat radius which current F-35 specification can't match. Eagle has a bigger AESA than F-35 and if your prime reason for being is intercepting Blackjacks, Backfires, Bears and any missiles they are carrying why exactly do you need stealth ? Surely a fast rangy interceptor with big radar and missile capacity might be better suited. F-35 is not the answer to every fighter requirement.



You have no idea what you're talking about. That said, just include the F-15X in Canada's Open and Fair Fighter Competition and see how it favors..... :wink:

Re: Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 pro

Unread postPosted: 18 Mar 2019, 01:08
by marsavian
I have stated facts while it seems Politics is your game ;).

Re: Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 pro

Unread postPosted: 18 Mar 2019, 01:17
by Corsair1963
marsavian wrote:I have stated facts while it seems Politics is your game ;).




Sorry, those are hardly "facts".....