Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 program

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Unread post26 Jan 2019, 13:20

popcorn wrote:https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canada-to-keep-paying-for-f-35-development-as-fighter-jet-competition/

Canada to keep paying for F-35 development as fighter-jet competition ramps up


In an interview with The Canadian Press, the Department of National Defence’s head of military procurement says there are no plans for Canada to quit as one of nine partner countries in the F-35 stealth fighter program until after the Trudeau government completes the competition to determine which fighter jet will replace Canada’s aging fleet of CF-18s.

“We’re committed to staying there (in the program) until we understand where the competition will bring us,” said Patrick Finn, assistant deputy minister of material at National Defence.


What a surprise... not.

So RCAF will get Block 4+ F-35s (which is good), at the expense of losing several years of 5th gen experience and a big middle finger to the force. Any financial gains from cheaper FRP F-35s will be negated by the expenses of stop-gap F/A-18 purchase. All in all, they could have done much worse.
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Unread post27 Jan 2019, 12:29

Sounds to me that they are slowly coming to the realization that the F-35 was what was needed all along. Only Trudeau stuck his foot in his mouth and painted himself into a corner. This is his way of exiting said corner, albeit too late and at the expense of the Royal Canadian Air Force, it's commanders, pilots and mission...
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Unread post27 Jan 2019, 19:57

I was wondering when someone would post this.

hythelday wrote:
popcorn wrote:https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canada-to-keep-paying-for-f-35-development-as-fighter-jet-competition/

Canada to keep paying for F-35 development as fighter-jet competition ramps up


In an interview with The Canadian Press, the Department of National Defence’s head of military procurement says there are no plans for Canada to quit as one of nine partner countries in the F-35 stealth fighter program until after the Trudeau government completes the competition to determine which fighter jet will replace Canada’s aging fleet of CF-18s.

“We’re committed to staying there (in the program) until we understand where the competition will bring us,” said Patrick Finn, assistant deputy minister of material at National Defence.


What a surprise... not.

So RCAF will get Block 4+ F-35s (which is good), at the expense of losing several years of 5th gen experience and a big middle finger to the force. Any financial gains from cheaper FRP F-35s will be negated by the expenses of stop-gap F/A-18 purchase. All in all, they could have done much worse.


This was a major surprise actually... in previous years this basically got barely mention at all, and its in May that the payment is due.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4243206/cana ... 4-million/

This time around its January (months before the money was due), and we have Pat Finn, ADM Mat going out to Lee Berthiume, making statements about increasing the flexibility in the competition and specifically citing other departments (not DND) ability to do so. There's a lot more going on here than meets the eye.
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Unread post27 Jan 2019, 23:54

hb_pencil wrote:I was wondering when someone would post this [...]

This was a major surprise actually


I hedged my bets when "interim" SH deal fell through, either after Justin's money counters (I remember those 18 planes came at a ridiculous price) or military people talked some sense into him.

How to have a pie and eat it too? The pie being campaign promise to stop F-35 purchase. Answer: don't brake the promise... during that particular term. Between them saying that "actually our Hornets don't need replacement for another 5 years", purchasing ozzy Hornets instead of Supers and him tweeting about LM creating canadian jobs it was IMO quite clear to me - stall tactics until next term. If he gets re-elected he'll be able to pull a Trump and congratulate himself on the fact F-35 are now cheaper and more capable, despite the fact that the force needed new fighters years prior.
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Unread post28 Jan 2019, 00:03

hythelday wrote:I hedged my bets when "interim" SH deal fell through, either after Justin's money counters (I remember those 18 planes came at a ridiculous price) or military people talked some sense into him.

How to have a pie and eat it too? The pie being campaign promise to stop F-35 purchase. Answer: don't brake the promise... during that particular term. Between them saying that "actually our Hornets don't need replacement for another 5 years", purchasing ozzy Hornets instead of Supers and him tweeting about LM creating canadian jobs it was IMO quite clear to me - stall tactics until next term. If he gets re-elected he'll be able to pull a Trump and congratulate himself on the fact F-35 are now cheaper and more capable, despite the fact that the force needed new fighters years prior.


I absolutely and fully agree! This is actually what I've saying for quite some time :wink:
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post31 Jan 2019, 05:21

He's principled in all the wrong ways :doh:
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Unread post11 Feb 2019, 17:24

So buying second hand planes twice the age of prospective pilots isn’t making potential RCAF pilot recruits beat a path to sign up?

Well who knew?
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Unread post12 Feb 2019, 03:30

luke_sandoz wrote:So buying second hand planes twice the age of prospective pilots isn’t making potential RCAF pilot recruits beat a path to sign up?

Well who knew?


Who knew that a total cuck of a PM would seriously handicap the military?
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Unread post16 Feb 2019, 09:25

First two used Australian fighter jets arrive in Canada on Sunday
15 Feb 2019 David Pugliese

"The Royal Canadian Air Force will be showing off its first two used Australian fighter jets on Sunday at 4 Wing Cold Lake in Alberta. Representatives from the Royal Australian Air Force and the RCAF will mark the arrival of the F-18 jets that morning. Only local media have been invited to cover the event....

...A second group of planes would arrive later this year. Eighteen of the Australian F-18 aircraft will eventually be flying for the Canadian Forces, while another seven will be used for testing and spare parts.

Canada is paying Australia $90 million for the aircraft. The federal government originally estimated the purchase of the Australian jets would cost around $500 million, but Finn said that price reflected every aspect of the associated deal, not just the cost of purchasing the jets. Canada is also acquiring extra spare parts, the Australian jets will have to be outfitted with specific Canadian equipment and software and testing will be needed.

The $500-million project estimate also included $50 million in contingency funds to cover any problems and another $35 million for the salaries of all civilian and military personnel involved over the life of the project. An additional $30 million will be spent on new infrastructure needed to accommodate the aircraft.

Those costs add up to $360 million, Finn said. But DND also plans to upgrade its existing fleet of CF-18s with new communications gear and equipment required to meet regulations to operate in civilian airspace, improvements which the Australian jets will also eventually receive at a cost of around $110 million, an amount that brought the original estimate to nearly $500 million....

...The Canadian Forces says it is bringing in new initiatives to boost the numbers of pilots and maintenance staff."

Source: https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national ... -on-sunday
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Unread post16 Feb 2019, 12:30

Canada goes retro, circa 1982 for used Hornets!

New regulations require all pilots to wear mullets and be able to solve a Rubix cube in less than 10 minutes. Maintainers must be wearing Reebok hi tops and parachute pants at all times.
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Unread post16 Feb 2019, 14:10

So sad, but LOL :mrgreen: :doh:
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post16 Feb 2019, 18:33

mixelflick wrote:New regulations require all pilots to wear mullets and be able to solve a Rubix cube in less than 10 minutes. Maintainers must be wearing Reebok hi tops and parachute pants at all times.


LOL. It's impossible to solve a Rubix cube in less than 10 minutes.
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post16 Feb 2019, 20:25

steve2267 wrote:
mixelflick wrote:New regulations require all pilots to wear mullets and be able to solve a Rubix cube in less than 10 minutes...

LOL. It's impossible to solve a Rubix cube in less than 10 minutes.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NevGDFBfQGw

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Unread post16 Feb 2019, 21:25

blindpilot wrote:
steve2267 wrote:
mixelflick wrote:New regulations require all pilots to wear mullets and be able to solve a Rubix cube in less than 10 minutes...

LOL. It's impossible to solve a Rubix cube in less than 10 minutes.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NevGDFBfQGw

FWIW in case anyone wonders :devil:
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He solved a Rubik's cube. As responded to the original post... it is impossible to solve a Rubix cube.

Details matter.
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post18 Feb 2019, 01:58

Canada receives first two RAAF classic Hornets
18 Feb 2019 AustAviation

"...two F/A-18A single-seat classic Hornets, RAAF tail numbers A21-53 and A21-55, arrived at Canadian Forces Base Cold Lake in Alberta on February 16, following their deployment to Exercise Red Flag 19-1 in Nevada...."

Source: http://australianaviation.com.au/2019/0 ... c-hornets/


Official F/A-18 Hornet Hand Over at Cold Lake Canada 2019. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMkERR4Ptw4

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