Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 program

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Unread post02 Nov 2018, 15:16

That's clearly a case for naming the production Tempest the Arrow, or at least doing so if it winds up in Canadian service
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Unread post02 Nov 2018, 16:17

Canadian RFP states initial delivery in 2025.. So a Block 4.3 F-35 with the newer EOTS, EODAS, and other goodies in TR3.

Suppliers will have about eight weeks to provide feedback. This will help refine and finalize the formal RFP.

The RCAF plans to receive initial proposals from bidders between summer and winter 2019. A contract is anticipated to be awarded during the winter months of 2021-2022.

Canada wants initial aircraft to be delivered in 2025, with initial operational capability achieved by 2026. The government wants all aircraft delivered by 2031 or 2032, at which time the CF-18 fleet will be retired.


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Unread post02 Nov 2018, 16:50

SpudmanWP wrote:Canadian RFP states initial delivery in 2025.. So a Block 4.3 F-35 with the newer EOTS, EODAS, and other goodies in TR3.

Suppliers will have about eight weeks to provide feedback. This will help refine and finalize the formal RFP.

The RCAF plans to receive initial proposals from bidders between summer and winter 2019. A contract is anticipated to be awarded during the winter months of 2021-2022.

Canada wants initial aircraft to be delivered in 2025, with initial operational capability achieved by 2026. The government wants all aircraft delivered by 2031 or 2032, at which time the CF-18 fleet will be retired.


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It's really a fantastic time to buy. All the cost benefits of FRP, and the upgraded equipment as you mentioned.
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Unread post02 Nov 2018, 20:03

SpudmanWP wrote:Canadian RFP states initial delivery in 2025.. So a Block 4.3 F-35 with the newer EOTS, EODAS, and other goodies in TR3.

"... Canada wants initial aircraft to be delivered in 2025, with initial operational capability achieved by 2026. ..."


Can Boeing (or other competitors) even promise they will have a production line open in 2025?

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Unread post02 Nov 2018, 20:26

They only have to make it to 2023 in order to start the Canadian order, but your point is well made.

Boeing has blackmailed/bribed/lobbied enough in Congress to likely ensure that orders will trickle in to keep the line open.
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Unread post04 Nov 2018, 14:33

edpop wrote:https://combataircraft.keypublishing.com/2018/11/01/canada-re-launches-fighter-program/


I see the F-15's in the mix...

This is significant. Big, powerful, 2 engines and a huge radar in its nose.Great range. Essentially everything needed to protect Canada in its air sovereignty mission. And if they opt for new F-15's it'll come with a wide array of air to ground ordnance as well.

The only problem is by the time Canada gets around to buying them, the F-35 will be $80 million/copy. No "new" F-15 is going to be able to come close, and the issue may come up of sending Canadian F-15 pilots to be used as target practice for S-300/400 SAM batteries..
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Unread post04 Nov 2018, 16:15

I’m kind of horrified that this thread is still active after all these years.
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Unread post04 Nov 2018, 17:38

mixelflick wrote:
edpop wrote:https://combataircraft.keypublishing.com/2018/11/01/canada-re-launches-fighter-program/


I see the F-15's in the mix...

This is significant. Big, powerful, 2 engines and a huge radar in its nose.Great range. Essentially everything needed to protect Canada in its air sovereignty mission. And if they opt for new F-15's it'll come with a wide array of air to ground ordnance as well.

The only problem is by the time Canada gets around to buying them, the F-35 will be $80 million/copy. No "new" F-15 is going to be able to come close, and the issue may come up of sending Canadian F-15 pilots to be used as target practice for S-300/400 SAM batteries..


If we don't go the F35 route for whatever bullshit political reason then the F15 is the best option IMO. A true Air Force aircraft for the Air Force, we don't need another carrier-based jet only to be used on land. The amount of time we waste maintaining the landing gear system is mind boggling.
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Unread post04 Nov 2018, 19:00

mixelflick wrote:
edpop wrote:https://combataircraft.keypublishing.com/2018/11/01/canada-re-launches-fighter-program/


I see the F-15's in the mix...

This is significant. Big, powerful, 2 engines and a huge radar in its nose.Great range. Essentially everything needed to protect Canada in its air sovereignty mission. And if they opt for new F-15's it'll come with a wide array of air to ground ordnance as well.

The only problem is by the time Canada gets around to buying them, the F-35 will be $80 million/copy. No "new" F-15 is going to be able to come close, and the issue may come up of sending Canadian F-15 pilots to be used as target practice for S-300/400 SAM batteries..



They rejected F-15s decades ago as too expensive. They would need back sweaters if they are going strike eagle like. That doubles your pilot costs.


Beyond the cost, it's the simple fact that you're buying an airplane that's design predates what you were already using lol

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Unread post04 Nov 2018, 19:03

count_to_10 wrote:I’m kind of horrified that this thread is still active after all these years.



Years to go yet. F-35 will have been in service for 7 years before they even submit an RFP...
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Unread post04 Nov 2018, 21:31

count_to_10 wrote:I’m kind of horrified that this thread is still active after all these years.

I'm sure the ancient Aussie F-18s will be fine for a few more decades.
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Unread post05 Nov 2018, 18:49

juretrn wrote: I'm sure the ancient Aussie F-18s will be fine for a few more decades.


Ya - and once we are done we can pass them down to Slovenia!
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Unread post05 Nov 2018, 19:12

XanderCrews wrote:
They rejected F-15s decades ago as too expensive. They would need back sweaters if they are going strike eagle like. That doubles your pilot costs.


Beyond the cost, it's the simple fact that you're buying an airplane that's design predates what you were already using lol

Full retard


Absolutely.
Canada didn't buy the F-15 in 1980 and would buy it now?? LOL that makes NO sense at all even from a Canadian military procurement point of view :doh:

And yes, the price alone means a NO-GO for Canada, this again regarding the F-15.
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