Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 program

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Unread post26 Feb 2018, 14:33

citanon wrote:Your government has just been too busy doing other important work.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9kzg ... n-his-face

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Unread post26 Feb 2018, 14:35

F-35 and Super Hornet Back on the Table for Canada
by David Donald - February 26, 2018, 4:58 AM

Following the relaunch on Dec. 12, 2017 of its Future Fighter Capability Project (FFCP) to replace the CF-188 (F/A-18A/B) Hornet, the Canadian government has issued a list of eligible suppliers. While the inclusion of the three “Euro-canards”—Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon and Saab Gripen E/F—is no surprise, the inclusion of both Boeing and Lockheed Martin indicates a softening of policy toward the U.S. fighters, both of which have been the subject of considerable controversy in Canada.

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In the meantime, FFCP continues with the F-35 and Super Hornet back in the running. An element of the request—presumably aimed at Boeing—notes: “The evaluation of bids will also include an assessment of bidders’ impact on Canada’s economic interests. When bids are assessed, any bidder that is responsible for harm to Canada’s economic interests will be at a distinct disadvantage.”

A full RFP for the government-to-government deal is expected in spring 2019, with contract award scheduled for 2021/22. First deliveries are slated for 2025, with initial operational capability a year later. Full operational capability is scheduled for 2031.


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https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2018-02-26/f-35-and-super-hornet-back-table-canada
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Unread post26 Feb 2018, 19:20

In the above article posted by 'SWP' I like the revisionist history in the second paragraph quoted below:
"...Despite remaining a Level 3 industrial partner in the F-35 program, Canada cancelled its 65-aircraft order in November 2015. The action had been one of incoming Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s campaign pledges. While there had been concerns about the aircraft itself, particularly its high cost and whether it could be delivered in time to meet the Hornet’s expected out-of-service date, there were objections to the way it had been ordered by the previous government through an untendered procurement process with unclear costings...."

Canada has not CANCELLED the 65 F-35A order because there was NEVER an order only a stated intention (which still exists officially) to ONE DAY ORDER 65 aircraft. "...whether it could be delivered in time to meet the Hornet's expected out-of-service date...." WUT? Gutless TRUD OH has not CANCELLED the F-35 otherwise CANADA would not be in the program. Have a look at the PROGRAM of RECORD Feb 2018.

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Unread post26 Feb 2018, 20:51

luke_sandoz wrote:
citanon wrote:Your government has just been too busy doing other important work.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9kzg ... n-his-face

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Unread post26 Feb 2018, 23:15

spazsinbad wrote:Mixed Messages on whatever BOING! is offering now but I guess - who cares - wins?
Boeing ‘Eligible Supplier’ In Canadian Fighter Contest
23 Feb 2018 Tony Osborne

"LONDON—Boeing has been selected as one of the potential suppliers for Canada’s future fighter aircraft...

...Boeing will once again offer the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet through the U.S. Foreign Military Sales system. The Lockheed Martin F-35A will also be offered by the U.S. government through the same process. Meanwhile, France will offer the Dassault Rafale, and Sweden the Saab JAS-39E/F Gripen. The UK will act as the bid government on behalf of the four-nation Eurofighter Typhoon....

...On its website, the Public Works and Government Services agency says it can add additional suppliers to the list as it sees fit [MUST BE THE BELGIQUE INFLUENCE] and can remove them if it believes there are issues that “may be injurious to Canada’s national security.”

The bids will be assessed on cost, technical requirements and economic benefits, with bidders expected to make investments in Canada equal to the contract’s value." [Tell 'em they're dreamin']

Source: http://aviationweek.com/defense/boeing- ... er-contest


...well that article is riddled with errors.
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Unread post27 Feb 2018, 03:21

If, Canada does allow a fair and open fighter competition. Then the F-35 will easily win.....Of course Trudeau will be long gone!


...and I thought Trump was bad???


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Unread post27 Feb 2018, 05:04

Corsair1963 wrote:If, Canada does allow a fair and open fighter competition. Then the F-35 will easily win.....Of course Trudeau will be long gone!


...and I thought Trump was bad???


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When did Canadians realize they had elected a child exactly?

Have they realized?
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Unread post27 Feb 2018, 05:46

XanderCrews wrote:

When did Canadians realize they had elected a child exactly?

Have they realized?




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Unread post27 Feb 2018, 06:10

XanderCrews wrote:

When did Canadians realize they had elected a child exactly?

Have they realized?


Hey. it's "Xey", not they. Did you just use a sacreligious binary pronoun?

And you have no idea what age that "child" you talk about identifies as....
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Unread post28 Feb 2018, 01:10

Wow, it's a real life Peter Pan and he is in charge of a whole country ! ;)
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Unread post28 Feb 2018, 01:44

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Unread post28 Feb 2018, 05:26

I said Trump and Trudeau were two sides of the same coin. My god heaven help us..... :(
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Unread post28 Feb 2018, 05:46

At least Trump is, for the most part, making good decisions (and did not cancel the F-35).
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Unread post28 Feb 2018, 06:21

SpudmanWP wrote:At least Trump is, for the most part, making good decisions (and did not cancel the F-35).



LOL Well, at least not this week. Yet, next week who knows???
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