Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 program

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Unread post27 Nov 2017, 09:05

"The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."
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Unread post27 Nov 2017, 09:20

I don't know much about DCS, The f-15 isn't FMS, because the US aren't buying them anymore. They have finished their run is the reason I think they are sold DCS. I think there is also a presidential sale, that I know even less about.
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Unread post27 Nov 2017, 15:26

hb_pencil wrote:
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And why is that so?

It seems obvious that the only reason why this Canadian government will NOT buy the Super Hornet is because of the Boeing-Bombardier dispute and certainly not because the Super Hornet deal price tag which this government was apparently so willing to pay.


Because it is.


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Unread post27 Nov 2017, 16:46

no
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Unread post27 Nov 2017, 17:19

hb_pencil wrote:no


Ok, That's a "very clever" of you then :roll:
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Unread post27 Nov 2017, 20:52

ricnunes wrote:
hb_pencil wrote:no


Ok, That's a "very clever" of you then :roll:


I see you're fairly new here. At this stage I don't need to explain myself any further. Believe what you want.
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Unread post27 Nov 2017, 21:20

hb_pencil wrote:
ricnunes wrote:
hb_pencil wrote:no


Ok, That's a "very clever" of you then :roll:


I see you're fairly new here. At this stage I don't need to explain myself any further. Believe what you want.



Seems there is more than one single factor at play here.

That price for those 18 interim planes was extremely high.

The Boeing/Bombardier snit fest has a uniquely Canadian political dimension with the whole Quebec pandering for votes/threat to separate thingy.

And of course the whole interim deal is complete political nonsense & a$$ covering to deflect attention away from Trudeau’s Stuck on Stupid election promises.

Protecting his brand takes priority over properly equipping the armed forces so they dreamed up a Fighter Deficit to mask the issue and give them wiggle room to appear to be doing good things for the troops.
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Unread post28 Nov 2017, 12:52

luke_sandoz wrote:
hb_pencil wrote:
ricnunes wrote:
Ok, That's a "very clever" of you then :roll:


I see you're fairly new here. At this stage I don't need to explain myself any further. Believe what you want.



Seems there is more than one single factor at play here.

That price for those 18 interim planes was extremely high.

The Boeing/Bombardier snit fest has a uniquely Canadian political dimension with the whole Quebec pandering for votes/threat to separate thingy.

And of course the whole interim deal is complete political nonsense & a$$ covering to deflect attention away from Trudeau’s Stuck on Stupid election promises.

Protecting his brand takes priority over properly equipping the armed forces so they dreamed up a Fighter Deficit to mask the issue and give them wiggle room to appear to be doing good things for the troops.


Yes indeed. I fully agree with your assessment.
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Unread post06 Dec 2017, 00:24

And now, more from the Stupid is Strong file of Justin Trudeau.

Hard to pack so much stupid in a single liberal politician.

https://ca.reuters.com/article/business ... Z2W2-OCABS




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Unread post06 Dec 2017, 00:33

Date / URL for above BOING! post: 06 Dec 2017 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cana ... SKBN1DZ2W2
"...Canada is due to officially announce the requirements for its new fighter fleet in early 2019, kicking off an open competition. One potential contender is Lockheed Martin Corp’s F-35 fighter, which Trudeau initially said he would not buy because it was too expensive. The government has since softened its line, saying the plane would be allowed to compete."

Similar story here:
Canada to kill Boeing Super Hornet deal
06 Dec 2017 Valerie Insinna

"WASHINGTON — The Canadian government is poised to walk away from a deal with Boeing to buy 18 F/A-18E/F Super Hornet jets, a major blow for the future of the Boeing jet. Canada’s Liberal government will announce next week plans to proceed with an interim buy of used F/A-18 Hornets from Australia, dashing Boeing’s hopes of a Super Hornet sale, three sources familiar with the situation told Reuters, according to a Dec. 5 report....

...Speaking to Defense News last month, RCAF commander Lt. Gen. Michael Hood said that if the service bought used Hornets from Australia, the Canadian government would have to invest in extending the lives of the airframes, which are meeting their structural end. L3 Technologies, which has worked on the CF-18s previously, would likely pick up that contract— further shutting out Boeing...."

Source: https://www.defensenews.com/air/2017/12 ... rnet-deal/
RAN FAA A4G Skyhawk 1970s: https://www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ AND https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/
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Unread post06 Dec 2017, 03:52

Thank god, now all we need is a quick F-35 order and we in business.
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Unread post06 Dec 2017, 04:08

good to see them picking up the used Aussie Hornets. Of course those Hornets wont be available until the F-35 takes over for them, which Trudeau says doesn't work. So they will be waiting a long time?

No wait. In that case if the Aussies are replacing them then the F-35 must work... And if the F-35 is working, then surely Canada should buy... used Australian Hornets?




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Unread post06 Dec 2017, 04:56

Sad really as the Canadian Taxpayer is just going to fork out billions more. Only to end up with the F-35 in the end... :shock:
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Unread post06 Dec 2017, 05:06

http://bestfighter4canada.blogspot.com/ ... -used.html

hey guys, genius guy comes up with the idea of leasing gripen c/ds.

https://gyazo.com/9c5d2f7c49522da84aaf435d170f420b

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Unread post06 Dec 2017, 06:07

sunstersun wrote:Thank god, now all we need is a quick F-35 order and we in business.


Ha... “quick” is not a term frequently associated with the Canadian procurement system.

Punt a decision to the next election cycle it is...

Grabbing a few more trashed out Hornets from her majesty's penal colony won’t help matters. They will be just as expensive to maintain as the current fleet, which means even less loonies for procurement. (Death spiral)
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