Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 program

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Unread post22 Nov 2017, 09:40

luke_sandoz wrote:Any idea the time duration period for that Sustainment estimate?


It was for 30 years, between 2020 and 2049. It assumed similar level of activity as what Danes have been using their F-16s.
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Unread post22 Nov 2017, 09:51

This is interesting regarding Eurofighter Typhoon costs:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... -f-439514/

It seems like Danish assessment about high sustainment costs for EF Typhoon was pretty much correct. 30-40 percent reduction in flight hour cost is really needed and I wonder why it took so long time to happen?
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Unread post22 Nov 2017, 14:50

UK-specific initiatives already introduced via the Tytan contract include increasing the intervals between scheduled major maintenance activities, which will increase aircraft availability and reduce repair bills. Deep maintenance initially scheduled after every 400 flight hours has previously been extended to a 500h interval, and is expected to be stretched further to 750h.

Now in an advanced stage of assessment before being adopted, the "fundamental changes" will "stop things being taken apart, parts being consumed and people's time being consumed on maintenance activity that is not necessary under the current regime", Boardman says. This will involve industry taking "more risk and accountability" on required service intervals and parts ordering


I really hope this is because BAe found out, after years of accumulating data, that stretching maintenance intervals almost twofold is safe and that initial instructions were too conservative. Because it recently turned out that British military is in much shabbier shape money-wise than I though; so I hope they are not cutting safety corners at peoples' expense in order to save money.
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Unread post22 Nov 2017, 16:43

It looks like the Senate Appropriation committee will cut the "extra" F-35As authorized in the 2018 NDAA, while retaining the additional four F-35Cs (two for the Navy, and two for the Marines,) and four F-35Bs. The committee also will retain all 10 extra Super Hornets. This probably is in reaction to the woeful state of tactical naval aviation assets.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... uy-443536/
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Unread post22 Nov 2017, 17:09

The funny (and quite frankly sad) thing is that the FY2018 F-35B/Cs will arrive 8 months before the FY2018 F-18s. If they REALLY wanted to fill the "gap"' rather than their reelection coffers, they would buy more F-35s.
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Unread post22 Nov 2017, 19:02

maus92 wrote:It looks like the Senate Appropriation committee will cut the "extra" F-35As authorized in the 2018 NDAA, while retaining the additional four F-35Cs (two for the Navy, and two for the Marines,) and four F-35Bs. The committee also will retain all 10 extra Super Hornets. This probably is in reaction to the woeful state of tactical naval aviation assets.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... uy-443536/

Complete article posted by 'neptune' & comments earlier: viewtopic.php?f=58&t=53112&p=381618&hilit=Leigh#p381618
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Unread post22 Nov 2017, 20:19

:doh: Less Cost for the Canadian Air Force USERs with fewer aircraft needed replacing those OLD TIRED Canadian Hornets:

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Unread post23 Nov 2017, 00:31

Does that come in French? :D
"When a fifth-generation fighter meets a fourth-generation fighter—the [latter] dies,”
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Unread post23 Nov 2017, 00:55

:devil: Sacre Bleu! No!!! :doh:
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Unread post23 Nov 2017, 01:26

Maybe its just me, but when offered to buy a stupidly good/ ridiculously capable fighter i wouldn't give a single f* about operational costs and buy as many as possible.

I'd be a terrible prime minister, i know.
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Unread post23 Nov 2017, 01:27

If it came in Stupid, maybe Justin Trudeau would be able to understand it :D
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Unread post23 Nov 2017, 11:13

Next time you hear some Canadian knocking the F-35. Have them listen to this and ask them if it sounds familiar??? (LOL)



https://youtu.be/4xJBvKJht78
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Unread post23 Nov 2017, 11:49

:mrgreen: Thanks for that video 'Corsair1963' - a real giggle - OMG - Canada Oh Canada in deed. Bought a lemon did ya? :doh:
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Unread post23 Nov 2017, 11:56

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkrtxDdaWuM

f-16, f-18, every plane including the f-22.
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Unread post23 Nov 2017, 20:14

Corsair1963 wrote:Next time you hear some Canadian knocking the F-35. Have them listen to this and ask them if it sounds familiar??? (LOL)

https://youtu.be/4xJBvKJht78


LOL!
I used that same video when discussing with a fellow Canadian in another forum (with me defending the F-35 and the other guy attacking it with all the usual criticism claims).
When I posted that same video and I even told him that when watching it, everytime the world "F/A-18" came up in the video that he should try to mentally replace it with the "F-35" word instead. :mrgreen:

Obviously like many (actually most) of discussions around the web (including some here in f-16.net) the guy completely ignored the video and continued with his ramblings :roll:
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