Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 program

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Unread post10 Jul 2019, 19:38

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hb_pencil wrote:Wow, Boeing and Airbus are really pulling out all the stops.

They're not the most likely to leave the program - they're trying to make sure that Lockheed does.


Explain?


Do you think you'd like to spend X Million dollars to participate in a competition where you start off with a 20% disadvantage in the points and have multiple other barriers to win, many of which deliberately diminish your major advantages?

F-35 isn't the favourite in this competition, it wasn't from the start either. Should have been pretty clear when those letters were leaked a few months back.
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Unread post10 Jul 2019, 19:47

Boeing project's it's range values on having the EPE engine (unfunded and unscheduled) but somehow does not give the F-35 credit for future engine upgrades.
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Unread post10 Jul 2019, 21:54

hb_pencil wrote:F-35 isn't the favourite in this competition, it wasn't from the start either. Should have been pretty clear when those letters were leaked a few months back.


According to several sources apparently the F-35 is indeed the favorite in this competition, hence the news like that last one.

The F-35 is also by far the favorite within RCAF and also the favorite within the Canadian aerospace industry as a whole.
Heck, it was even the Liberals that signed Canada to join the JSF program.

The only thing playing against the F-35 was a dork called Justin Trudeau who in a moment of mental diarrhea said years ago before he got elected that Canada didn't need expensive Stealth Fighter aircraft, a.k.a. the F-35. Now I'm pretty sure that even he acknowledges that the F-35 is the best option although he will admit it in public.
This kinda reminds me of the Surface Combatant project where some/many said that the Type 26 would never win (because it wasn't still built, unproven designed, etc, etc, etc...) but in the end who won? Yeah that right, the Type 26.
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post11 Jul 2019, 00:21

ricnunes wrote:
hb_pencil wrote:F-35 isn't the favourite in this competition, it wasn't from the start either. Should have been pretty clear when those letters were leaked a few months back.


According to several sources apparently the F-35 is indeed the favorite in this competition, hence the news like that last one.

The F-35 is also by far the favorite within RCAF and also the favorite within the Canadian aerospace industry as a whole.
Heck, it was even the Liberals that signed Canada to join the JSF program.

The only thing playing against the F-35 was a dork called Justin Trudeau who in a moment of mental diarrhea said years ago before he got elected that Canada didn't need expensive Stealth Fighter aircraft, a.k.a. the F-35. Now I'm pretty sure that even he acknowledges that the F-35 is the best option although he will admit it in public.
This kinda reminds me of the Surface Combatant project where some/many said that the Type 26 would never win (because it wasn't still built, unproven designed, etc, etc, etc...) but in the end who won? Yeah that right, the Type 26.


Justin Trudeau is nothing short of an idiot. Which, could careless for the Canadian Taxpayer or Warfighter! One day the majority of Canadian will learn what actually happen.
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Unread post11 Jul 2019, 04:52

ricnunes wrote:
citanon wrote:Airbus and Boeing threatening to quit:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cana ... SKCN1U32EX


What a wonderful news!
Boeing and Airbus, please do quit from the Canadian competition :wink:

And if it isn't asking too much, can I ask Saab to quit from the Canadian competition as well? Thanks in advance :mrgreen:


Oh hell no, I want the Gripen to get another L.

I hope Saab stares into the light at the end of the tunnel until it's too late to realize it's a train
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Unread post11 Jul 2019, 15:22

SpudmanWP wrote:Boeing project's it's range values on having the EPE engine (unfunded and unscheduled) but somehow does not give the F-35 credit for future engine upgrades.


I see reference to a "weapons pod". Is that not unfunded and unscheduled as well?
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Unread post11 Jul 2019, 15:48

Corsair1963 wrote:Justin Trudeau is nothing short of an idiot. Which, could careless for the Canadian Taxpayer or Warfighter! One day the majority of Canadian will learn what actually happen.


You're absolutely right.


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Oh hell no, I want the Gripen to get another L.

I hope Saab stares into the light at the end of the tunnel until it's too late to realize it's a train


LoL :mrgreen:
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post11 Jul 2019, 15:49

mixelflick wrote:I see reference to a "weapons pod". Is that not unfunded and unscheduled as well?


Yes, that's right. The "Stealth Weapons Pod" is currently unfunded and unscheduled and apparently cancelled.
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post11 Jul 2019, 17:14

mixelflick wrote:I see reference to a "weapons pod". Is that not unfunded and unscheduled as well?

That is correct, no weapons pod in the cards although having it on the F-35 would be nice :)
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Unread post12 Jul 2019, 04:26

Not to mention the CFT, that are also on a wish list.
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Unread post12 Jul 2019, 04:32

optimist wrote:Not to mention the CFT, that are also on a wish list.

R&D for that made it into the FY2020 budget

The FY 2020 funding request was increased by $4.856 million for Block III Conformal Fuel Tank (CFT) flight test
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Unread post12 Jul 2019, 10:18

Thanks, I missed that it moved into R&D. We Aussies would also be interested in CFT for the Rhino and growlers
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Unread post12 Jul 2019, 10:55

RAAF Growlers will be upgraded with USN Growlers - upon what timetable don't know but LOCKSTEP has been mentioned.
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Unread post15 Jul 2019, 00:23

Today, Canada takes another giant leap backwards . . .


https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/fi ... et-to-2032
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Unread post15 Jul 2019, 01:39

Does anybody really believe. That Canada won't acquire the F-35 in the end....(anybody) :wink:
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