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Unread post05 Feb 2018, 04:18

Canada's new Australian fighter jets to call 4 Wing Cold Lake home
04 Feb 2018 Juris Graney

"Australian F-18 fighter jets destined for 4 Wing Cold Lake to supplement Canada’s aging CF-18 fighter fleet will require upgrades to their ejection seats and external aircraft lighting before they can take to the skies with the Royal Canadian Air Force.

Additionally the 18 Super Hornets, which first entered service in Australia in the late 1980s, will undergo “preventive aircraft structure modifications to address known fatigue issues” similar to a program that was implemented to remedy similar issues with the CF-18s. About $150 million is spent each year on maintenance of the CF-18s, which are due to be phased out starting in the second half of 2020.

Canada’s CF-18 numbers have dropped by more than half to 76 aircraft from a peak of 138 but the Liberal government in June last year announced plans to buy 88 new fighter aircraft in a project that could cost as much as $19 billion....

...“Individual aircraft will be retired when either their safe structural life has expired or they are no longer required given the delivery of the permanent fleet,” said Department of National Defence spokesperson Jessica Lamirande.

“It is anticipated that the supplemental aircraft will be in service for several years, sufficient to ensure the capability gap is filled until the transition to the permanent CF-18 replacement that commences in the second half of the 2020s is complete.” Lamirande said Canada invested in the development of additional structural modifications which, after being applied to Canadian aircraft, could also be applied to Australian aircraft that would further extend their service. Postmedia has previously reported that the CF-18s had been scheduled to be removed from service around 2025 but that timeline has been extended to 2032.

As negotiation between Australian and Canadian governments are ongoing, exact details of the deal and how much it will cost to modify the Hornets have yet to be finalized, she said.... [WUT?!]

Source: http://edmontonjournal.com/news/local-n ... -lake-home
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Unread post05 Feb 2018, 05:29

Why invest in the past when they should invest in the future? Sad...
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Unread post05 Feb 2018, 05:37

popcorn wrote:Why invest in the past when they should invest in the future? Sad...


But they have upgraded lighting.....
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Unread post05 Feb 2018, 07:13

citanon wrote:
popcorn wrote:Why invest in the past when they should invest in the future? Sad...


But they have upgraded lighting..... [BUT THEY HAVE UPGRADED LIGHTNINGS TOO!? Mebbe.]

8) :applause: Blinded by the Light Manfred Mann & His Earth Band :doh: :shock:

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Unread post05 Feb 2018, 10:15

The clock is ticking for Boeing.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cana ... SKBN1FO0L1

OTTAWA (Reuters) - Boeing Co must decide by the end of this week whether to take part in a multi-billion-dollar race to supply Canada with fighter jets, even as the U.S. company’s relationship with Ottawa has soured due to a trade dispute...

Boeing has until Feb. 9 to express an interest in taking part in the Canadian jet competition, failing which it will be excluded from the bidding process...

Although government officials say the competition will be open, they have privately made it clear that Boeing needs to drop the Bombardier challenge and talk of an appeal to stand a better chance of winning the jet contract, say sources familiar with the matter.

“A lot of things would be better if they did that,” said one source who declined to be identified given the sensitivity of the situation.
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Unread post05 Feb 2018, 16:47

spazsinbad wrote:
Canada's new Australian fighter jets to call 4 Wing Cold Lake home
04 Feb 2018 Juris Graney
Additionally the 18 Super Hornets


ummmm...what?
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Unread post05 Feb 2018, 16:56

:shock: :devil: :doh: Yeah - there is a pic of a SupaDupa making FUZZ also <sigh> :bang: :roll: :drool: However the text at source has been corrected now. BZ. :mrgreen:
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Good luck to all canadian peoplekind
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Unread post12 Feb 2018, 15:40

:roll: Time Table of Sorts - haven't we seen this before? I'm tired so tired of it all. :doh: Only the dates have changed. :shock:
Here is how Canada's new fighter jet purchase will unfold
07 Feb 2018 David Pugliese

"Here are some more details on the timing/milestones of the Canadian government’s purchase of 88 new fighter jets. This information comes from the federal government:

A draft request for proposals (RFP) is expected by this fall. Suppliers will have up to two months to submit comments and the RFP will be finalized by early 2019. It will be issued in the spring of 2019. Suppliers will be given around six months to work on their proposals, with submissions by early 2020. There will be discussions with suppliers about their proposals and revised proposals could be submitted by the fall of 2020. A winning bidder is expected to be selected in spring 2021. A contract would be signed in late 2021 or early 2022. The first aircraft would be delivered sometime in 2025.

The first squadron will reach initial operating capability in 2026. Full operational capability – which will include four operational squadrons, plus training – will be reached in 2031. The last CF-18 will be retired in 2032. Initial cadre training by the host nation will begin in 2024/2025 time period. Transition training will take place between 2025 and 2031."

Source: http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/ ... ill-unfold
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Unread post12 Feb 2018, 16:28

spazsinbad wrote::roll: Time Table of Sorts - haven't we seen this before? I'm tired so tired of it all. :doh: Only the dates have changed. :shock:
Here is how Canada's new fighter jet purchase will unfold
07 Feb 2018 David Pugliese

"Here are some more details on the timing/milestones of the Canadian government’s purchase of 88 new fighter jets. This information comes from the federal government:

A draft request for proposals (RFP) is expected by this fall. Suppliers will have up to two months to submit comments and the RFP will be finalized by early 2019. It will be issued in the spring of 2019. Suppliers will be given around six months to work on their proposals, with submissions by early 2020. There will be discussions with suppliers about their proposals and revised proposals could be submitted by the fall of 2020. A winning bidder is expected to be selected in spring 2021. A contract would be signed in late 2021 or early 2022. The first aircraft would be delivered sometime in 2025.

The first squadron will reach initial operating capability in 2026. Full operational capability – which will include four operational squadrons, plus training – will be reached in 2031. The last CF-18 will be retired in 2032. Initial cadre training by the host nation will begin in 2024/2025 time period. Transition training will take place between 2025 and 2031."

Source: http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/ ... ill-unfold



This is what happens when you elect a man-child to run your country. He's is unbelievably lazy, and unthinking, and he is a joke
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Unread post12 Feb 2018, 18:30

In fairness (and I hate the liberals, to be clear) the conservatives weren't doing much better. But couldn't the proposal be like "we'll accept bids between now and march, and sign a contract by July."?

It seems more and more accurate that he's just hoping to keep pushing this purchase back until after the next election.
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Unread post13 Feb 2018, 01:27

Just Do It Canaduh...
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Unread post13 Feb 2018, 02:48

spazsinbad wrote::roll: Time Table of Sorts - haven't we seen this before? I'm tired so tired of it all. :doh: Only the dates have changed. :shock:
Here is how Canada's new fighter jet purchase will unfold
07 Feb 2018 David Pugliese

"Here are some more details on the timing/milestones of the Canadian government’s purchase of 88 new fighter jets. This information comes from the federal government:

A draft request for proposals (RFP) is expected by this fall. Suppliers will have up to two months to submit comments and the RFP will be finalized by early 2019. It will be issued in the spring of 2019. Suppliers will be given around six months to work on their proposals, with submissions by early 2020. There will be discussions with suppliers about their proposals and revised proposals could be submitted by the fall of 2020. A winning bidder is expected to be selected in spring 2021. A contract would be signed in late 2021 or early 2022. The first aircraft would be delivered sometime in 2025.

The first squadron will reach initial operating capability in 2026. Full operational capability – which will include four operational squadrons, plus training – will be reached in 2031. The last CF-18 will be retired in 2032. Initial cadre training by the host nation will begin in 2024/2025 time period. Transition training will take place between 2025 and 2031."

Source: <span class="skimlinks-unlinked">http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/here-is-how-canadas-new-fighter-jet-purchase-will-unfold</span>


Slow down Canada, no need to rush. :roll:
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Unread post13 Feb 2018, 06:11

Here is how Canada's new fighter jet purchase will unfold
07 Feb 2018 David Pugliese

"Here are some more details on the timing/milestones of the Canadian government’s purchase of 88 new fighter jets. This information comes from the federal government:


Haven't the Liberals gift wrapped and handed this issue to their opponents next election cycle?

All the Conservatives (or whatever they are called) have to do is make a big deal out of the fact that after much hemming, hawwing, and general screwing around, the Liberals have INCREASED the spending on the fighter replacement by specifying 88 new fighters! Heck, they can claim, "we can re-constitute our fighter force with ONLY sixty jets, and do it cheaper than" 88 Rafales, or Typhoons, or whatever...
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, add dollop of F-117 & gob of F-22, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well, then bake. Whaddya get? An F-35.
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Unread post13 Feb 2018, 23:46

Canada’s fighter jet competition – Is Boeing in or out?

Last Friday was the deadline for companies to apply to the Canadian government to be on the supplier’s list for the new program to provide a fleet of fighter jets.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/ ... -in-or-out
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