Korea threatens to disqualify F-35

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Unread post11 May 2013, 22:22

LRIP schedule from the Korean Brief PDF previous page: download/file.php?id=17532
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Unread post23 May 2013, 10:12

Republic of Korea - F-35 Aircraft Weapons 23 May 2013
"The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress May 21 of a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Republic of Korea (ROK) for F-35 aircraft weapons and associated equipment, parts, training and logistical support for an estimated cost of $793 million.

The Government of the Republic of Korea (ROK) has requested a possible sale of F-35 aircraft weapons. These aircraft weapons include the following:
• 274 AIM-120C-7 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM)
• 6 AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM Guidance Sections
• 530 Joint Directed Attack Munition (JDAM) Tail Kits, BLU-109/KMU-557C/B (GBU-31) w/SAASM/AJ
• 4 JDAM BLU-109 Load Build Trainers
• 6 MK-82 Filled Inert Bombs
• 4 BLU-109 Inert Bombs
• 1312 FMU-152A/B Fuzes (FZU-63 Initiator)
• 542 GBU-39/B Small Diameter Bombs
• 530 BLU-109 2000LB Penetrators
• 780 GBU-12 Bomb
• 4 GBU-12 Dummy Trainers
• 154 AIM-9X-2 (Blk II) Tactical Missiles w/DSU-41
• 33 AIM-9X-2 (Blk II) Captive Air Training Missiles (CATM)
• 7 AIM-9X-2 (Blk II) CATM Guidance Units
• 14 AIM-9X-2 (Blk II) Tactical Guidance Units

Also included are containers, missile support and test equipment, provisioning, spare and repair parts, support equipment, personnel training and training equipment, publications and technical documentation, U.S. Government and contractor engineering and technical support, and other related elements of program support. The estimated cost will be $793 million.

This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy goals and national security objectives of the United States by meeting the legitimate security and defense needs of an ally and partner nation. The ROK continues to be an important force for peace, political stability, and economic progress in North East Asia.

The proposed sale will provide the ROK with aircraft weapons for the F-35. These aircraft and weapons will provide the ROK with a credible defense capability to deter aggression in the region and ensure interoperability with U.S. forces. The ROK will use the enhanced capability as a deterrent to regional threats and strengthen its homeland defense. Additionally, operational control (OPCON) will transfer from U.S. Forces Korea/Combined Forces Command (USFK/CFC) to the ROK’s Korea Command (KORCOM) in 2015. This upgrade will enhance the capability needed to support OPCON transfer...."
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Unread post23 May 2013, 21:24

spazsinbad wrote:Republic of Korea - F-35 Aircraft Weapons 23 May 2013
"The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress May 21 of a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Republic of Korea (ROK) for F-35 aircraft weapons and associated equipment, parts, training and logistical support for an estimated cost of $793 million.
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Looks like we may soon be ready for a new thread on Korea Buys F-35s :D
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Unread post23 May 2013, 21:34

In all fairness, they announced virtually the same package for the F-15SE.
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Unread post24 May 2013, 00:23

Most, if not all, of that equipment will be compatible with the F-15K and KF-16 fleet. This should be interesting.
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Unread post31 May 2013, 12:50

Korea to Accelerate $ 7.5 billion fighter Procurement, Final Selection in June 31 May 2013 Our Bureau
"South Korea’s Defense Acquisition and Procurement Agency (DAPA) Thursday said that bidding process for the $7.5 billion next-generation fighter procurement project will begin at the start of June instead of midway through the month.

“We plan to let bidders tender offers about a week earlier,” a DAPA official said....

...Our first goal is to buy 60 fighter jets within the budget. As we are scheduled to make the final selection by the end of June, we may not have enough time for negotiations if we start receiving offers from mid-June,” the official said. “In addition, an earlier schedule will quiet criticism on the most-expensive procurement deal in our history.” He added that DAPA had already informed the bidders of the schedule change...."

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Unread post03 Jun 2013, 23:35

Hopefully we won't have much longer to wait and the Koreans by July. I like the F-35's chances.

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.asp ... 39.xml&p=1
South Korea Nears F-X Phase 3 Decision

If there is one misconception about South Korea's F-X Phase 3 fighter competition, due to be decided this month, it is that the requirement is aimed mainly at bolstering defense against North Korea. On the contrary, say senior government officials in Seoul, at least as strong a reason for buying 60 advanced fighters is South Korea's perceived strategic competition with Japan, China and Russia—probably in that order.

“Our neighbors are upgrading their fighter technology, so we must do so, too,” says one government official. A second official, with deep insight into the country's defense requirements, goes further: The 60 Boeing F-15Ks that South Korea has from the F-X Phase 1 and 2 programs last decade already offer enough aerial strike power for dealing with North Korea. While more big fighters would be useful if war on the peninsula broke out, the real point of the Phase 3 competition is that Japan is buying Lockheed Martin F-35As, China is developing the J-20, and Russia is working on the Sukhoi T-50 (PAK FA), says that official. Even in F-X Phases 1 and 2, North Korea was considered only part of the problem, he adds...

...Crucially, South Korean F-35As would not rely on a Japanese maintenance base, says an industry official. Lockheed Martin's offer of technology transfer had better match what the company has given Japan, says a government official. “South Korea won't put up with second-best anymore,” he says...

...To the extent that South Korea is worried more about Japan, the F-35A is strongly placed in the competition. A simple example illustrates why: It would be intolerable to South Koreans to hear that their F-15SEs or Typhoons while patrolling near the Liancourt Rocks had been bounced by Japanese F-35As that they had failed to detect....
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Unread post04 Jun 2013, 00:05

popcorn wrote:
...To the extent that South Korea is worried more about Japan, the F-35A is strongly placed in the competition. A simple example illustrates why: It would be intolerable to South Koreans to hear that their F-15SEs or Typhoons while patrolling near the Liancourt Rocks had been bounced by Japanese F-35As that they had failed to detect....


Interesting to imagine a F-35 vs. F-35 encounter... The question then becomes will one F-35 be able to detect another, and somehow parlay that into an advantage?
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Unread post04 Jun 2013, 00:18

'maus92' do I assume that first we have to imagine that potentia mutual enemies will be purchasing the F-35? And who might these buyers be?

Addition - to be clear - the mutual future potential enemies have to have purchased the F-35 to become enemies of one another, to then, in some future scenario, have their F-35s ranged against one another.

I'll give an outrageous hypothetical fantasy example: In far future, after South Korea and Japan buy F-35s, NORTH Korea invades and takes over South Korea successfully to then immediately use what is left of the South Korean F-35s in raids against Japanese F-35s. HoKay?
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Unread post04 Jun 2013, 00:18

There are several ways that one F-35 could detect another:
1. EOTS
2. EODAS
3. ESM

As to using that to an advantage… simple, first look, first shoot, first kill.
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Unread post04 Jun 2013, 00:27

spazsinbad wrote:'maus92' do I assume that first we have to imagine that potentia mutuall enemies will be purchasing the F-35? And who might these buyers be?


From Popcorn:

"A simple example illustrates why: It would be intolerable to South Koreans to hear that their F-15SEs or Typhoons while patrolling near the Liancourt Rocks had been bounced by Japanese F-35As that they had failed to detect...."
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Unread post04 Jun 2013, 00:55

See my addition to above. We are talking about F-35 against F-35 are we not?
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Unread post04 Jun 2013, 01:22

To my knowledge, the US has pretty much supplied the latest weaponry to both countries so the "putting up with second-best.." comment puzzles me a bit. In the past, admittedly, Japan has had earlier access to advanced US tech. So it's really up to the Koreans if they miss on this opportunity to keep up with the Tanakas.
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Unread post04 Jun 2013, 04:06

Seoul to start bidding for fighter jet next week 04 Jun 2013 By Kim Eun-jung
"SEOUL, June 4 (Yonhap) -- South Korea is set to start the bidding process next week to pick a contractor to provide 60 advanced fighter jets for the country, an official at the state procurement agency said Tuesday....

...It is not yet known for how long the bidding will last, but officials say it would take at least two to three weeks considering past cases.

Once the bidding ends, the DAPA will sign a preliminary deal with one of the bidders and conduct an assessment of the jet that would replace the Korean air force's fleet of F-4 and F-5 combat jets, the official said....

...Lockheed Martin proposed producing some parts, including horizontal tails, vertical tails and the center wing box, in local factories, and also hinted at helping the T-50 trainer built by Korea Aerospace Industries bid for a U.S. Air Force contract."

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