UK MOD in a muddle over F-35C

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Unread post22 Jul 2020, 00:11

Shouldn't SPEAR give them some moving target abilities?
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Unread post22 Jul 2020, 01:33

Yup Spear will have moving target capability.

Also, just a question of time before legacy capabilities are also integrated. If Harpoon is integrated, that immediately gives the F-35 a whole lot of additional standoff firepower because the AGM-84s are already in service in significant numbers. Why waste 'em?

Not only that, its weight is about that of a quad-packed BRU which means potentially 4 external harps on Bees (followed by JSM).

Has anyone mention that MQ-25s are perfect for the QEs....
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Unread post22 Jul 2020, 01:42

weasel1962 wrote:...Has anyone mention that MQ-25s are perfect for the QEs....

No one mentioned it unless the STINGRAY MQ-25 is operated from land/shore runways. Is that what you mean? Obviously the USMC F-35B mob will bring a lot of stuff with them including the V-22 which may or may not have air refuelling soon.
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Unread post22 Jul 2020, 02:17

dtmdragon wrote:
squirrelshoes wrote:I wonder what their maritime strike options would be on QE with their Bees.

I know the weapon set is supposed to expand later in the 2020s but right now I'm having trouble coming up with anything but LGBs.


Paveway IV with the tactical penetrator warhead (added for
UK F-35B IOC) has the same weapons effect as the 2000lb class BLU-109/B used in the Paveway III GBU-24 and GBU-27. I imagine two of those that would be fairly effective against a ship provided the F-35B LO/ stealth ability allowed it to be close enough to laser designate the ship?


weasel1962 wrote:If Harpoon is integrated, that immediately gives the F-35 a whole lot of additional standoff firepower because the AGM-84s are already in service in significant numbers. Why waste 'em?


ASuW missiles aren't in vogue in the RN (mostly due to lack of £££). Currently only some RN ships carry ancient versions of Harpoon, which was supposed to be retired but got a little boost in service life recently. UK currently does not have AShMs for their P-8 fleet either, and I don't have high hopes for them getting it soon. The Harpoon replacement is a joint venture with the French, the FCASW aka Perseus, scheduled to come about around 2030. Will it be integrated into F-35 is another question, as French Navy has no vested interest in it, so this leaves Royal Navy (which has no money) or MBDA (may be risky) to pick up the bill for integration. It's "stiff upper lip, make do with what you have" until 2030 if not later. The weapon for the lighter targets (FASGW Light aka Martlet) is still in the final stages of testing. FASGW Heavy aka Sea Venom is delayed till 2024 for now.

I am not sure top-notch ASuW weapons for the fleet or FAA are a priority. Last time Britain fought alone all it took to incapacitate adversary navy was a single torpedo attack. LGBs are "good enough" for second tier enemies, and RN won't be taking on first tier surface combatants alone anyway.

savetheroyalnavy.org wrote:the RN will do it has always done when called upon – improvise and make the best of what assets it has available at the time.

https://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/a-pale ... er-strike/
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Unread post22 Jul 2020, 02:42

hythelday wrote:
savetheroyalnavy.org wrote:the RN will do it has always done when called upon – improvise and make the best of what assets it has available at the time.


https://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/a-pale ... er-strike/



This is why I think it maybe a good idea. To base one of the Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers in Australia. This would help pay for much of the expenses of the aforementioned. While, bolstering the defenses of Australia/New Zealand. Which, could be a win-win for all involved....(think about it)

Of course this depends on Australia and lessor extent New Zealand. Paying for the Port Facilities, Infrastructure, Housing, etc. In order to support the Royal Navy Aircraft Carrier and everything that goes along with it...
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Unread post22 Jul 2020, 02:47

spazsinbad wrote:
weasel1962 wrote:...Has anyone mention that MQ-25s are perfect for the QEs....

No one mentioned it unless the STINGRAY MQ-25 is operated from land/shore runways. Is that what you mean? Obviously the USMC F-35B mob will bring a lot of stuff with them including the V-22 which may or may not have air refuelling soon.



Yes, what the QEC need is the V-22 Osprey. Which, could be used in the Tanker, COD, and AEW&C Roles. Hell, you could operate a common pool of aircraft. As the aforementioned are plug and play.....
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