UK MOD in a muddle over F-35C

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Unread post19 Nov 2019, 05:21

Engine inlets are from the X-35.
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Unread post19 Nov 2019, 05:24

Interesting stuff indeed. Again via E-mail the all-white training round for AMRAAM on a 'not F-35' and NOT CGI + Intakes.
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Unread post20 Nov 2019, 20:12

CGI for sure, the panel lines are wrong, the geometry is wrong.

Straight cut edges on the doors and panels are all dead giveaways.
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Unread post21 Nov 2019, 10:49

Fixing £3.lbn warship 'just another day in the office'
Nov 2019 BAE Systems PR

"With its engines blasting a scorching-hot jet of exhaust straight down, an F-35 hovers above the deck of HMS Queen Elizabeth preparing to land.

It's a scene that has become remarkably common place on Britain's £3.1bn aircraft carrier during her latest mission in America to test the state-of-the-art stealth jet. But it was something that might never have happened had it not been for the efforts of naval architects like Charlie Salt who helped fix an urgent problem threatening the trials.

The 31-year-old, who works with BAE Systems, was part of a team of engineers scrambled to deal with a fault in the space-aged thermal metal spray used to protect the deck from the extreme heat fired out of the F-35s' engines.

Developed by a team of British scientists, the unique coating was designed to withstand temperatures of up to 1,500C and was sprayed across the four-acre flight deck.

However, in 2017 - just months before Queen Elizabeth first ventured to Portsmouth - the surface began to blister, leaving scientists baffled.

Charlie, who lives in Havant, was among those tasked to repair it to ensure the F-35s were able to land on the aircraft carrier without damaging the ship's deck. [by this they mean "without damaging the non-skid coating on the deck"]

Describing the work as 'incredibly satisfying', Charlie said: 'It was at the front edge. Nothing out there does this. We were creating coating to enable the F-35 to land.

'It was very technical. But solving problems like this one is what I enjoy. You have to make it work.

'The meetings that we have had, the testing, the process that we have been through to overcome the challenges to it working on the deck now has been really, really interesting.

'I imagine we don't know everything about it, but to date it is performing well.'..."

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Unread post21 Nov 2019, 11:41

Lightning Force at Sea [Four page PDF of article attached below]
Dec 2019 Jamie Hunter AFM

"The UK Lightning Force has embarked on what is arguably its most important mission to date, taking a meaningful complement of F-35Bs to the HMS Queen Elizabeth (R08). Jamie Hunter evaluates this major step towards establishing the new UK carrier strike force.

Three F-35Bs departed RAF Marham, Norfolk on October 9 bound for Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort, South Carolina, as the UK Lightning Force took the next steps towards re-establishing a British carrier strike capability. Seeing them off, RAF Marham Station Commander Gp Capt Jim Beck told AFM: “Today we’ve sent three aircraft from Nos 617 and 207 Squadrons, which will complement three aircraft from No 17 Test and Evaluation Squadron [TES] based at Edwards AFB [California], that will augment a package that’s going to embark HMS Queen Elizabeth as part of the operational test phase of the ship’s development.” He added: “This has always been the programme of record where we are going to start the process of linking the F-35 with the ship, [but] not in a developmental test phase. This is all about operational warfighting ability, ready to declare IOC [Initial Operating Capability] Maritime.”

The jets were leaving to participate in the WESTLANT 19 Carrier Strike Group (CSG) deployment, with British F-35s embarking the UK’s new aircraft carrier for the first time for a period of operational testing (OT-1) off the eastern seaboard of the US. The Marham element included the three jets plus around 70 personnel from across the two resident squadrons to augment a similar number of personnel and three F-35Bs from No 17 TES, coming in the opposite direction from Edwards. Beck said that WESTLANT is about validating both the tactics and the training syllabus for carrier operations. It will include operationally realistic end-to-end testing of a multitude of factors, such as weapons employment. Four jets initially joined the Queen Elizabeth as she sailed off the east coast of the US on October 13. First to land was ZM138/BK-4 flown by Officer Commanding No 17 TES, Wg Cdr Adam Curd. This was followed by the three Marham jets, comprising ZM148/ BK-14, ZM149/BK-15, and ZM151/ BK-17. Wg Cdr Curd commented: “This is the first time I have landed on board an aircraft carrier – for it to be HMS Queen Elizabeth and in an aircraft as amazing as a UK Lightning is quite something. This is a proud moment not only for me, but the wider team that has brought us to this milestone for maritime aviation and UK defence.”

The four jets began generating sorties from the carrier, with the first take-off being performed by Lt Cdr Matt Fooks-Bale in ZM151. Two additional aircraft from No 17 TES joined the carrier on October 23 (thought to be ZM135/BK-1 and ZM136/BK-2). The six aircraft will remain embarked for the duration of OT-1, which was planned to last until the end of November, but was viewed as a ‘moveable feast’.

Realising the vision
OT-1 is a progression of last year’s developmental trials (DT) that saw test-fleet F-35Bs from Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Maryland, embarking on the Queen Elizabeth, where they conducted 500 take-offs and landings over an 11-week period at sea. OT-1 comprises mission planning, arming the aircraft using the ship’s Highly Automated Weapon Handling System, flying missions and debriefing upon completion....

...Cdr Blackmore [the carrier’s Commander Air ‘Wings’] stressed the importance of “pulling on operational expertise from the Royal Navy and the Royal Air Force” for OT-1. This means the F-35B aircrew cadre this time around is predominantly led by operational test pilots from No 17 TES, augmented by RAF and Royal Navy pilots with frontline experience from RAF Marham. Blackmore added: “The key goal is to prove the F-35B can be operationally employed effectively from the maritime environment whilst embarked in HMS Queen Elizabeth.” While the UK’s F-35B declared IOC from land at the turn of the year, this deployment will ensure that the declared capability can be achieved from the carrier and in the context of a task group. Blackmore said that the two DT phases revealed some deficiencies to be addressed, including refinements needed for the visual landing aids and F-35B pilot helmet. “Lessons were identified in areas during DT-1 and DT-2 that require rectification prior to enhanced developmental test, which has always been planned into DT-4 with HMS Prince of Wales in 2021. As such, there was not a requirement to undertake further developmental test this year because more than sufficient test points – more than 70% of all DT for the F-35B in the Queen Elizabeth class – have been achieved to date. This is a very positive point as it has allowed the UK to focus more on operationally representative testing this year using an operating envelope for the F-35B which far expands that of anything we’ve had at sea with previous aircraft.”"

Source: AirForces Monthly Magazine December 2019 No.381
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Unread post21 Nov 2019, 13:34

Neat patch.
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post22 Nov 2019, 02:55

Long article best read there
Royal Navy Intends HMS Queen Elizabeth to be Integrated into U.S. Carrier Operations

ABOARD HMS QUEEN ELIZABETH, IN THE CHESAPEAKE BAY — The U.K. Royal Navy intends its largest, most advanced warship ever built to be considered interchangeable with U.S. Navy carriers, its top admiral said on Thursday.

HMS Queen Elizabeth (R08) is indicative of both Great Britain’s return to carrier-based fixed-wing flight operations after a decade’s absence and the strength of its cross Atlantic partnership with the U.S., said Adm. Tony Radakin, the First Sea Lord and U.K. Chief of Naval Staff. Radakin was in Queen Elizabeth’s hangar bay addressing the second Atlantic Future Forum, while the ship was moored in the Chesapeake Bay just offshore of Annapolis, Md.

“As she has demonstrated already, we can successfully field a combined U.S., U.K. carrier strike group,” Radakin said. “I look forward to this developing further, moving to the point where we are not only talking about interoperability, but we are looking for interchangeability...

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Unread post22 Nov 2019, 03:28

"Interchangeable"?

Does that imply, then, that the RN is committed to developing COD, IFR, and AEW capabilities to be deployed from HMS QE & POW? That would mean some form of MV-22, wouldn't it?
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post22 Nov 2019, 05:02

First Flight for Royal Navy’s Merlin Crowsnest AEW Helicopter 11 Apr 2019 Xavier Vavasseur

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... elicopter/

Thunderstorms truncate reply however I think V-22s can be borrowed by Brits for F-135 engine changes for example.

:devil: SELF LOATHING FREIGHT (yes I know) can go by helo etc. :mrgreen:
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Unread post22 Nov 2019, 23:51

Spaz, are any Jarhead stick actuators inolved in the flying off HMS QE at this time? Or are the Brits only borrowing USMC aircraft?

If some USMC pilots have gotten any hours on/off the QE... have you seen, heard, or read comments about how they find da ramp?
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Unread post23 Nov 2019, 00:18

IF anything hotfarts vertically aboard QE youse'll hear it here. Otherwise Gargle is your fren. The USMC will holler soon?

Earlier video here: viewtopic.php?f=58&t=15969&p=429464&hilit=4S0Q7oYfU5s#p429464
Photo: "British Royal Navy Flight Deck Officer Lt. Cmdr. Richie Turrell launches a US Marine Corps F-35, November 2019. British Royal Navy/Twitter" https://image.businessinsider.com/5dcaf ... 55ea6e1dc4

ORIGINAL article with photos: https://theaviationist.com/2019/11/10/c ... elizabeth/

British F-35Bs Fly From HMS Queen Elizabeth • WESTLANT 19 | Forces TV
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Unread post23 Nov 2019, 01:22

Characterizing the ramp as significantly altering ship STO from the perspective of pilot technique is media fiction. Search USMC Harriers on Illustrious circa 2007 and Ark Royal in 2012 (iirc).
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Unread post23 Nov 2019, 01:46

Have F110, Block 70, will travel
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Unread post23 Nov 2019, 01:58

I like the names for F-35 parking areas, I don’t recall if US carriers do this.

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Unread post23 Nov 2019, 05:04

We've had at least one post elsewhere about CVN 'deck spot' names or whatever they are called.... I'll find it soon (have the info) thanks for the graphic. I like the 'graveyard' - years ago there was discussion about how useless this space is because any aircraft at tip cannot be moved elsewhere easily - hence 'the graveyard'. I think CVN names are in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=57&t=15767 However as thunderstorms approaching here again I'll have to go offline soon probably so the graphic (there are many others online found with a google search) is posted tootsweet.

This one from: http://www.public.navy.mil/NAVSAFECEN/D ... -5thEd.pdf (4Mb) Search F-35 forum for CROTCH to get some information about Hornet HUD Velocity Vector CROTCH usage.

search.php?keywords=crotch&terms=all&author=&fid%5B%5D=65&sc=1&sf=all&sr=posts&sk=t&sd=d&st=0&ch=-1&t=0&submit=Search
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