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Unread post16 Nov 2019, 21:14

HMS Prince of Wales: Navy ship arrives in Portsmouth for first time

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Unread post16 Nov 2019, 21:16

There are many many many stories from WWII of aircraft landing upon the WRONG CARRIER even attempting ENEMY ones.

Before during the Vietnam War USN aircraft regularly landed upon the incorrect flight deck to be quickly tarnished beyond all reasonableness for their troubles. There were lots more flat decks to be confusable in dem daze.

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Unread post16 Nov 2019, 21:20

Thanks and very interesting.
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Unread post17 Nov 2019, 03:54

Nite Fluggin via e-mail.... See the flyin' rescue helo?
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Unread post17 Nov 2019, 07:43

So is that a USMC F-35B (with a gunpod) doing a SVRL ? What's on the pylons, HARM missiles ?
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Unread post17 Nov 2019, 07:53

marsavian wrote:So is that a USMC F-35B (with a gunpod) doing a SVRL ? What's on the pylons, HARM missiles ?

Looks like a UK F35B carrying 4 external AIM120 (plus 4 internal?), 2 AIM9 and a gun pod!!! Quite a big Air-Air load? (why the AIM9 and not ASRAAM?)
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Unread post17 Nov 2019, 09:05

'marsavian' asked about SRVL amongst other things. No need to guess if you are not sure about Naval Aviation. In the first night photos a helo may be seen on the deck centerline. No SRVLs that night during that photo session. An UK Joint Force Lightning II F-35B is conducting a vertical landing with all the bibs and bobs one may see. Cooler temps & a WOD help.
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Unread post17 Nov 2019, 09:12

old_rn wrote:
marsavian wrote:So is that a USMC F-35B (with a gunpod) doing a SVRL ? What's on the pylons, HARM missiles ?

Looks like a UK F35B carrying 4 external AIM120 (plus 4 internal?), 2 AIM9 and a gun pod!!! Quite a big Air-Air load? (why the AIM9 and not ASRAAM?)


AFAIK the UK has not ordered gunpods which is why I believe it is from the USMC. Missiles also look a big thick to be Amraam but that could be the angle and light.
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Unread post17 Nov 2019, 09:28

Are you asking is the USMC gunpod supplied to the UK F-35B? Probably. Although the gunpod may be on trial/loan for the UK F-35Bs because it is a TRIAL PERIOD aboard QE. It is a Joint Force F-35B although an USMC pilot may be flying it? The joys of having interoperability. Different country pilots fly different country aircraft in the F-35 world especially training.
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Unread post18 Nov 2019, 03:19

Those pictures are CGI not the real aircraft or ship etc. I am guessing there taken from the F-35 Sim? That's why the F-35 has generic looking weapons on the wings and gunpod etc.
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Unread post18 Nov 2019, 06:03

dtmdragon wrote:Those pictures are CGI not the real aircraft or ship etc. I am guessing there taken from the F-35 Sim? That's why the F-35 has generic looking weapons on the wings and gunpod etc.

Yeah, without a doubt cgi. 1st picture with the people is the easiest tell. Colors too uniform and borders too clean. Maybe when using a phone it's easier to get mistaken.
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Unread post18 Nov 2019, 12:28

Incredible progress by both the RN and RAF, it's good to see. The teaming of Typhoon and the F-35 in particular is an incredibly powerful combo. Prior to this, a Typhoon vs. SU-35 contest would have been rather evenly matched IMO. But throw just a few (or even 1!) F-35's into the mix and it's all over fast.

Next to the US and its F-22/35 combo, England's Typhoon/F-35 mix is the next best thing IMO. Even more dangerous than Japanese up-rated F-15's and F-35's...
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Unread post18 Nov 2019, 16:11

dtmdragon wrote:Those pictures are CGI not the real aircraft or ship etc. I am guessing there taken from the F-35 Sim? That's why the F-35 has generic looking weapons on the wings and gunpod etc.


You beat me at this :D

But yes, you're right. Those are pictures from a simulator.
If I'm not mistaken the simulator is this:
https://www.baesystems.com/en-uk/articl ... ght-trials

The F-35/QEC Integration Simulator facility replicates both the cockpit of the F-35 and the flying control tower (FLYCO) on board HMS Queen Elizabeth.
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post19 Nov 2019, 00:54

mixelflick wrote:Incredible progress by both the RN and RAF, it's good to see. The teaming of Typhoon and the F-35 in particular is an incredibly powerful combo. Prior to this, a Typhoon vs. SU-35 contest would have been rather evenly matched IMO. But throw just a few (or even 1!) F-35's into the mix and it's all over fast.

Next to the US and its F-22/35 combo, England's Typhoon/F-35 mix is the next best thing IMO. Even more dangerous than Japanese up-rated F-15's and F-35's...

How do you figure? I was under the impression the F-15E's were given incremental fleet-wide improvements whereas the Typhoon has only block improvements.
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