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Re: UK MOD in a muddle over F-35C

Unread postPosted: 14 Oct 2019, 20:41
by spazsinbad
HMS Queen Elizabeth, first RAF F-35B DLs, Westlant19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKjxVVNM5bo

TURN UP THE VOLUME TO ELEVEN! [NO DON'T - the initial NOISE is very loud in the video depending upon your settings]


Re: UK MOD in a muddle over F-35C

Unread postPosted: 14 Oct 2019, 20:54
by quicksilver

Re: UK MOD in a muddle over F-35C

Unread postPosted: 14 Oct 2019, 21:45
by aussiebloke
spazsinbad wrote:There is a misunderstanding. I was referring to 'challenge coin US usage' which I do not understand. I was guessing that perhaps the original image was of a metal shiny with shadows challenge coin and NOT just a metal badge. DUNNO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenge_coin


It is a challenge coin:

https://www.militarypartyplanners.co.uk ... -296-p.asp

Re: UK MOD in a muddle over F-35C

Unread postPosted: 14 Oct 2019, 22:00
by spazsinbad
OK thanks. Question: "Are these used by UK Armed Forces or just some commercial add-on because they make coins?

Re: UK MOD in a muddle over F-35C

Unread postPosted: 14 Oct 2019, 22:28
by outlaw162
From wiki:

He showed the medallion to his would-be executioners and one of his French captors recognized the squadron insignia on the medallion. They delayed his execution long enough for him to confirm his identity. Instead of shooting him they gave him a bottle of wine.


:shock:

Are these used by UK Armed Forces....?


Perhaps they could be useful after leaving the EU.

Re: UK MOD in a muddle over F-35C

Unread postPosted: 15 Oct 2019, 03:34
by spazsinbad
How NOT to refer to an HM (Her Majesty's) WARSHIP - never use THE HM... you are saying sillily "the Her Majesty's etc..."

The HMS Queen Elizabeth is Unlike Any Other Warship https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-gmjgXJI1g


Re: UK MOD in a muddle over F-35C

Unread postPosted: 15 Oct 2019, 16:27
by spazsinbad
The OTHER SIDE of the PROVERBIAL COIN....

Re: UK MOD in a muddle over F-35C

Unread postPosted: 15 Oct 2019, 20:39
by spazsinbad
HeebieGeebies Maybe for a fixed wing hooked pilot but hey this is STOVL m'lad - deal with it - maybe even a HELiOplicker.

Re: UK MOD in a muddle over F-35C

Unread postPosted: 16 Oct 2019, 02:20
by spazsinbad
Aircraft Carriers – what are they for?
14 Oct 2019 SaveTheRoyalNavy

"...we outline the purpose and value of an aircraft carrier.

1. Cover for naval task group
Although primarily referred to as ‘strike carriers’, traditionally their first duty is to provide air cover for naval task groups. Without air superiority, both naval and merchant ships are vulnerable to aircraft and missile attack. However good ship-based air defence systems may be, they are no substitute for carrier-based fighter cover. History shows that naval fleets cannot rely on air cover from a land-based aircraft. Even if the land-based air force is dedicated to the task, it is extremely difficult to ensure the right number of aircraft in the right place to protect the fleet at all times. The RN has been devoid of its own organic fighter cover since the retirement of the Sea Harrier in 2006 and until this capability is restored, cannot be risked against foes with any kind of serious airforce. The carrier can also operate helicopters which, in co-ordination with supporting frigates, can provide anti-submarine protection. Once secure under it’s own integrated air cover and anti-submarine screen, the naval task force can then conduct any number of different missions (some of which are included below).

2. Platform to launch strikes on coastal and inland targets

3. Launch point for amphibious landings by troops
...Experience since 1945 suggests that unpredictability is the norm for the UK’s military involvements. Almost all of the conflicts involved a naval air power dimension. Able to cover more than 500 miles in a day, a carrier can quickly reposition in response to events and threats. They can also quickly re-role, potentially flying strike missions one day and operating as a humanitarian relief hub the next.

5. Base for the delivery of humanitarian aid

6. A demonstration of political will without resort to force

7. A flagship for command and control

8. A base for intelligence gathering and reconnaissance

9. Sovereign territory
Aircraft carriers avoid the constraints of complex and potentially lengthy international negotiations, agreements for the basing of aircraft on foreign soil. Operating in international waters they may also be able to circumnavigate the need to request over-flight permission from other countries. Carriers can deploy rapidly to international waters as and when government decides, unhindered by wishes of ‘host nations’. The carrier task group is also self-sustaining carrying its own logistical support with it. This avoids the major logistic effort required to move the equipment & personnel needed to support land-based aircraft.

10. A platform for trade and diplomacy, a visible symbol of prestige

Photo: https://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wp-con ... 14x487.jpg

Source: https://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/what-are-they-for/

Re: UK MOD in a muddle over F-35C

Unread postPosted: 16 Oct 2019, 02:31
by spazsinbad
First F-35B Launch with Test Pilot onboard in 'the wet' (no other details known - via e-mail)….
& From SaveTheRoyalNavy a composite JPG.

Re: UK MOD in a muddle over F-35C

Unread postPosted: 16 Oct 2019, 10:28
by marsavian
marsavian wrote:
weasel1962 wrote:I'm guessing USS Albany.


It could be the USS Albany (SSN-753) as the submarine is of the 688i later design of the Los Angeles class

Image

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https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ ... ines-88451

The resulting Seawolf submarine SSN-21 is according to the U.S. Navy ten times quieter over the full range of operating speeds than the Improved Los Angeles submarines, and an astonishing seventy times quieter than the original Los Angeles–class submarines. It can run quiet at twice the speed of previous boats.

Re: UK MOD in a muddle over F-35C

Unread postPosted: 16 Oct 2019, 18:14
by spazsinbad
OLD CVF Carrier Strike Cotton Badge

Re: UK MOD in a muddle over F-35C

Unread postPosted: 16 Oct 2019, 19:08
by spazsinbad
:devil: So there is a STEAM CATAdePault onboard QE - really slows down launch but - the music SUCKs! TURN IT OFF! :doh:

BTW first DL was Adam Curd (RAF) and this first launch by Matthew Fooks-Bale (RN). Both from 17 Sqn at Edwards.

HMS Queen Elizabeth, RAF F-35B launch, westlant19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDZPzRFYFow


Re: UK MOD in a muddle over F-35C

Unread postPosted: 16 Oct 2019, 19:50
by spazsinbad
:devil: A QE F-35B newbie pilot gets to trip the light fantastic - hope the HMDS is OK. :roll: :mrgreen: :doh:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trip_the_light_fantastic

HMS Queen Elizabeth, pilot drops to prayer, Westlant19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SetpTWeiNpE


Re: UK MOD in a muddle over F-35C

Unread postPosted: 16 Oct 2019, 20:39
by outlaw162
"Why yes, I'm a naval aviator."

(Why do they walk around [or at least attempt to] with that thing on? As a minimum however the HMDS may have saved him a broken nose.)

An obvious example of SD. :mrgreen: