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Unread post29 Mar 2017, 06:57

steve2267 wrote:
It's too bad no one told the Brits that it was 600°Farenheit, not Celsius. Probably could have same them some $$ in that fancy new aluminum-titanium finishing material.


No no ... it was an Aussie conspiracy. When they finish with the Prince of Wales, they will have this expensive deck coating machine and some left over raw material paint cans sitting around with nothing to do. so the Oz LHDs can visit London, and get a nice little VL landing patch put down on their decks for free.(well less all the sailor dollars spent to help London`s economy, free) :D -... for the USMC 35Bs to stop by of course. Oz is not getting Bs ... so we`re told by the RAAF constantly. :D

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Unread post29 Mar 2017, 07:51

:roll: :devil: 'BP': "...Always looking deeper for the deep Navy conspiracies...." 'BP' will find Davy Jones Locker soon. :doh: :roll:
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Unread post30 Mar 2017, 00:25

Pilots begin flights in new F-35 Lightning II simulator in preparation for trials on carrier

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A world-leading flight engineering simulator created by BAE Systems is ready to be “flown” by F-35 Lightning II pilots for the first time as they prepare for flight trials on the UK’s new Queen Elizabeth Class aircraft carrier next year.
The refurbished simulator will test pilots’ skills to the limits as they practise landing on the deck of the new aircraft carrier in a range of difficult sea and weather conditions provided by the simulator.

The bespoke £2M simulator facility offers a 360-degree immersive experience for pilots to fly the jet to and from the UK carrier. It comprises a cockpit moved by an electronic motion platform and a full representation of the ship’s flying control tower (FLYCO), where a Landing Signal Officer on board the carrier will control aviation operations.

The 360-degree view for pilots is vital as potential obstacles on an aircraft carrier are often behind the pilots as they land. Over the coming months the simulator will be used by UK and US military test pilots who have experience of flying F-35s on US carriers.


The pilots will practise thousands of ski jump short take-offs and vertical landings that use both the vertical thrust from the jet engine and aerodynamic lift from the wings, allowing the aircraft to take-off and land on the carrier with increased weapon and fuel loads compared to predecessor aircraft.

Peter ‘Wizzer’ Wilson, BAE Systems’ test pilot for the short take-off and vertical landing variant on the F-35 programme, said the simulator trials will provide engineers with the data to begin flight trials on HMS Queen Elizabeth, the First of Class aircraft carrier in 2018.

He said: “The immersive experience is as near to the real thing as possible. The data will show us exactly what will happen when F-35 pilots fly to and from the Queen Elizabeth carriers. The trials we can run through the simulator are far more extensive than what we will do in the actual flight trials because we can run and re-run each trial until we have all the data we need. The simulator provides greater cost efficiency for the overall programme and is extremely important to the success of the first flight trials.”

Over the last 15 years, BAE Systems’ flight simulation has been used to support the design and development of the interface between the F-35 and the UK’s next generation of aircraft carriers.

The new simulator replaces a previous version which was first built in the 1980s to develop technology for the Harrier jump-jet and the Hawk advanced jet trainer before being converted for F-35.

http://www.baesystems.com/en/article/pi ... on-carrier
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Unread post30 Mar 2017, 01:10

:applause: Thanks for this 'zerion' I'm only really interested in NavAv. :devil:
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Unread post30 Mar 2017, 01:14

spazsinbad wrote::applause: Thanks for this 'zerion' I'm only really interested in NavAv. :devil:


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Unread post30 Mar 2017, 01:59

zerion wrote:[...The new simulator replaces a previous version which was first built in the 1980s to develop technology for the Harrier jump-jet and the Hawk advanced jet trainer before being converted for F-35....]


...curious as to what the differences between the JPO F-35 simulators and this new? carrier simulator???...
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Unread post30 Mar 2017, 03:03

This is a long CVF thread now however I think there are quite a few articles about the CVF/F-35 BAE Warton simulator. Once upon a time it had to be quickly modified to be a CVF 'cats 'n FLAPs' with F-35C sim and then of course back agin to SkiJumperoo F-35B CVF sim. This sim is also motion enabled with extra roominess for the LSO station as mentioned in the article above and in several previous articles - along with FLYCO. This sim is unlike the FMS - it is only for F-35B/CVF ops (& I guess the land ops may be simulated somewhat). The BAE sim is for testing the much loved SRVL Maneuveroonie also.

EXCERPTS from 'zerion' post above.
Pilots begin flights in new F-35 Lightning II simulator in preparation for trials on carrier
29 Mar 2017 BAE UK PR

“A world-leading flight engineering simulator created by BAE Systems is ready to be “flown” by F-35 Lightning II pilots for the first time as they prepare for flight trials on the UK’s new Queen Elizabeth Class aircraft carrier next year.

The refurbished simulator will test pilots’ skills to the limits as they practise landing on the deck of the new aircraft carrier in a range of difficult sea and weather conditions provided by the simulator.

The bespoke £2M simulator facility offers a 360-degree immersive experience for pilots to fly the jet to and from the UK carrier. It comprises a cockpit moved by an electronic motion platform and a full representation of the ship’s flying control tower (FLYCO), where a Landing Signal Officer on board the carrier will control aviation operations....

...The new simulator replaces a previous version which was first built in the 1980s to develop technology for the Harrier jump-jet and the Hawk advanced jet trainer before being converted for F-35.”

PHOTO: http://www.baesystems.com/en/download-e ... 294849.jpg (116Kb)

Source: http://www.baesystems.com/en/article/pi ... on-carrier

SEARCHING THIS THREAD using Warton (for the sim innit) there are a few hits whilst therebe others....

viewtopic.php?f=58&t=15969&p=363905&hilit=Warton#p363905
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http://www.lep.co.uk/news/business/the- ... -1-6705787
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viewtopic.php?f=58&t=15969&p=221193&hilit=Warton#p221193
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viewtopic.php?f=58&t=15969&p=215256&hilit=Warton#p215256
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USN LSOs at WartyOn for previous CVF incarnation: viewtopic.php?f=58&t=15969&p=209363&hilit=Warton#p209363
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Unread post30 Mar 2017, 03:25

Olden 'Cats 'n FLAPs' CVF F-35C sim iteration wot is moving: & get this olde intaya: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=14082&p=279239&hilit=Simulator+ambition#p279239

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Unread post30 Mar 2017, 06:16

spazsinbad wrote:This is a long CVF ...


...thanks for the links (to be perused)...

,,,sadly I must ask....what is the meaning of CVF...maybe in three words, please!...

...I found a Climate Vulnerable Forum but.....naah!......

...and yes, I did "search" for CVF..no luck!... thanks in advance
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'Carrier Vessel Future'
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Unread post30 Mar 2017, 06:29

This forum needs four letters for search mode - you could try CVF* - this term has been in use for a long time especially in this thread. Using that search four letter term - JUST IN THIS THREAD - see top left for search box and enter text there.

There are four pages of hits just in this thread alone. More hits may be found if just the F-35 forum searched but ensure when using full search that 'all text' is shown. This 'search function' has been explained recently in another thread I think.

One term might be 'Carrier Vessel Future' OR CV stands for carrier & F for future. I do not really care myself - over to you.

An example of term in use: http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/cvf/

DiD: Future Aircraft Carrier (CVF): https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/de ... ted-01630/

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... ogram.html

Granted CVF is an OLDE WORLDE TERM in the context that the two CVFs now have TWO NAMES but they are TOO LONG!

ADDITION: PC correct acronyms for aircraft carriers change over time. Used to be USN had CVA & CVS (attack & ASW). MELBOURNE became a CVS after my time because it was primarily an ASW carrier with poor man fighter protection (all the time except with more A4Gs) in the same way the early to mid 1960 USN CVS (with mostly Trackers and A-4B/Cs) operated. OMG then along came the CVNs.... The INVINCIBLE Class were CVS afaik.
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Unread post30 Mar 2017, 19:50

Maybe it is too early in the morning for me however I'm struggling with the highlighted phrase below - I don't get it at all.
Pilots Begin Flights in F-35 Simulator in Preparation for Trials on U.K. Carrier
30 Mar 2017 SEAPOWER

"LONDON — A flight simulator created by BAE Systems is ready to be “flown” by F-35 Lightning II pilots for the first time as they prepare for flight trials on the U.K.’s new Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carrier next year, the company announced in a March 29 release. The refurbished simulator will test pilots’ skills to the limits as they practice landing on the deck of the new aircraft carrier in a range of difficult sea and weather conditions provided by the simulator.

The simulator facility offers a 360-degree immersive experience for pilots to fly the jet to and from the U.K. carrier. It comprises a cockpit moved by an electronic motion platform and a full representation of the ship’s flying control tower, where a landing signal officer on board the carrier will control aviation operations.

The 360-degree view for pilots is vital as potential obstacles on an aircraft carrier are often behind the pilots as they land. Over the coming months, the simulator will be used by U.K. and U.S. military test pilots who have experience of flying F-35s on U.S. carriers....

...Peter “Wizzer” Wilson, BAE Systems’ test pilot for the short-takeoff-and-vertical-landing variant on the F-35 program, said the simulator trials will provide engineers with the data to begin flight trials on HMS Queen Elizabeth, the first of class aircraft carrier, in 2018.

He said: “The immersive experience is as near to the real thing as possible. The data will show us exactly what will happen when F-35 pilots fly to and from the Queen Elizabeth carriers. The trials we can run through the simulator are far more extensive than what we will do in the actual flight trials because we can run and rerun each trial until we have all the data we need. The simulator provides greater cost efficiency for the overall program and is extremely important to the success of the first flight trials.”..."

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Unread post30 Mar 2017, 22:53

The context is probably about the vertical landing and not about arrested recovery.
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Unread post31 Mar 2017, 04:56

Thanks 'botsing' :doh: I get it now - it is about the VL with perhaps some motoring backwards slightly either intentional or not during the VL. :roll: As I said it was too early in the morning and I had to rush out. :shock: The OLD BAE Warton simulator was converted to 'cats 'n FLAPs' and then back again but probably it is only for CVF now - as is. It has been said on this thread re future SRVL testing for example that all kinds of pilots with all kinds of experience will use the sim to gauge the ease/ difficulty of SRVL for them - along with VLs I guess - but we know these are easypeasy by all F-35B pilot accounts so far.
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Unread post01 Apr 2017, 16:49

UK to cancel F-35B purchase
April 1, 2017

It has been revealed this morning that UK will now no longer be purchasing F-35B aircraft.

It is understood that the aircraft already purchased will be returned to Lockheed Martin. In November 2015, Chancellor George Osborne announced that the UK will order the full original total of 138 F-35 aircraft to equip the Royal Navy’s two new Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers, this however has been reversed.

It has been confirmed that the carriers that would have hosted the F-35B will now feature catapults and deploy “modern Harriers, naval Typhoon or something”...

light of this development we’ve spoken to experts. Bryan Robertson, defence analyst in Asda aisle 4, had this to say:

“Waste of funds & Human Life! One correctly placed Smart-Bomb will see Today’s heap of steel turn into Tomorrows heap of Scrap! H.M.S. Hood took the Ultimate Killing Shell way back in WW2 DESPITE AIRCRAFT; No Smart-Bombs then, and the Germans sent the Flagship of the Royal Navy to the bottom, no problem! What Government ‘FOOL’ proposed this latest Folly?

Who is paying him? WE ARE.

Such vast vessels have no place in modern times. Time for the OLD Timers to Grow UP!! Have they not heard of the Internet?”

Excerpts from a leaked consultation document are extremely detailed in just what needs to be changed now that the F-35 has been canned.

In response to this, the Ministry of Defence are now considering purchasing a fleet F-4 Phantoms and painting go faster stripes on the carrier hulls.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-canc ... -purchase/


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Unread post01 Apr 2017, 17:06

:devil: You should send that article to SNAFUBAR DUNKOID as an FOOLLIE FACTOID 'sky is falling death spiralled postit note'. :devil:

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