UK MOD in a muddle over F-35C

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Unread post10 Jun 2018, 22:06

Lockheed Martin-Built F-35 Comes Home to RAF Marham

06 Jun 2018 LM PR

"RAF MARHAM, Norfolk, UK, 5th June 2018 [US date/time] – The United Kingdom has welcomed home its first four F-35B advanced fighter aircraft, which will be flown by the Royal Air Force and Royal Navy....

...The programme has also greatly benefitted UK industry with more than 500 British companies involved in the supply chain. Around 15 percent by value of each of the more than 3,000 F-35 aircraft projected on the programme is manufactured in the UK, and to date the programme has generated about US $13 billion in contracts for British suppliers....

...The UK currently has 15 F-35B aircraft in total, the remainder [11] of which are stationed at MCAS Beaufort [8] or Edwards Air Force Base [3] in California, where they are involved in testing and training."



Source: https://www.f35.com/news/detail/lockhee ... raf-marham
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Unread post11 Jun 2018, 11:38

The AV of much WEAKness has a series of photos of the arrival - why? Theys not bothered - crow in their gut aches.

http://aviationweek.com/defense/british ... es-1803951

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Unread post14 Jun 2018, 10:42

Another story with more details + viddy below:
Photo & video essay: The aircraft carrier’s main armament, first F-35s arrive in the UK
07 Jun 2018 SaveTheRoyalNavy

"...The approximately 3,600 nautical mile journey across the Atlantic required each aircraft to conduct 9 air-air refuelling serials. The F-35B can fly for around 1,800nm but they were kept are topped up to allow an aircraft to reach a diversionary airfield in the case of a refuelling problem...."

Source: https://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/photo- ... in-the-uk/


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Unread post14 Jun 2018, 18:17

spazsinbad wrote:



"...The approximately 3,600 nautical mile journey across the Atlantic required each aircraft to conduct 9 air-air refuelling serials. The F-35B can fly for around 1,800nm but they were kept are topped up to allow an aircraft to reach a diversionary airfield in the case of a refuelling problem...."





That's pretty impressive, that the F-35B's range is only ~140nm shorter, than an Su-35. The A/C models will compare even more favorably.
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Unread post14 Jun 2018, 20:52

Some things about the above 'range' statement I was assuming: F-35B already at best altitude and airspeed with full internal fuel can fly the distance OR author misTOOKen KMs for NMs? Otherwise LM Fast Facts 13 June 2018 says:
"Range F-35A (internal fuel) >1,200 nm / 2,200 km (USAF profile); F-35B >900 nm / 1,667 km (USMC profile); F-35C >1,200 nm / 2,200 km (USN profile)" https://a855196877272cb14560-2a4fa819a6 ... e_2018.pdf
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Unread post15 Jun 2018, 01:35

Engineer sold F-35 engine data to China
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/1 ... legations/

Soon China will be building F-35Bs with similar 3600nm ranges...the air refuels are really not required. Hoax news.
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Unread post15 Jun 2018, 02:13

He left RR in 2003 so at best he has early lift-fan data and ZERO F135 data.
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Unread post15 Jun 2018, 05:57

If true, he should be drawn and quartered. Publicly.
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, add dollop of F-117 & gob of F-22, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well, then bake. Whaddya get? An F-35.
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Unread post15 Jun 2018, 06:18

True that
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Unread post20 Jun 2018, 17:00

UK undecided on F-35 DAS upgrade [WELCOME TO A BEATUP!]
20 Jun 2018 Gareth Jennings

"The United Kingdom has yet to decide if it will upgrade its Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JAF) combat aircraft with the new Distributed Aperture System (DAS) announced earlier in the month.

Answering questions in the House of Commons, Guto Bebb, Minister for Defence Procurement, said that a decision on whether or not to swap the current Northrop Grumman AN/AAQ-37 DAS with a new system to be developed by Raytheon will be made “once [the government] understand[s] the time and cost implications”.

“As with all upgrades, this will be undertaken as part of the future capability development programme,” he said on 19 June. “Costs have not yet been negotiated or agreed.”... [sounds reasonable to me - 'undecided' indeed - harrumph!]

Source: http://www.janes.com/article/81196/uk-u ... as-upgrade
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Unread post20 Jun 2018, 18:22

weasel1962 wrote:Engineer sold F-35 engine data to China
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/1 ... legations/

Soon China will be building F-35Bs with similar 3600nm ranges...the air refuels are really not required. Hoax news.



The F-35 Sucks.

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China Stole F-35 secrets and will be building F-35s that doesn't suck because theyre made from Chinesium
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Unread post22 Jun 2018, 16:30

Five Page PDF of this article attached below.
UK Gears Up for F-35
July 2018 Jamie Hunter

"As the initial F-35Bs return to the UK to form the Royal Air Force’s No 617 Squadron, Jamie Hunter talks to the team that’s testing new weapons and taking the aircraft to the Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier for the first time.

...Carrier trials
BAE Systems leads the operations and planning for STOVL flight test on the F-35B. The first-of-class trials for the Queen Elizabeth-class carrier (QEC) with the F-35B are scheduled to begin in late September off the US east coast. “We will fully embark onto the ship with around 200 personnel from Pax,” said Peters. Assistance will be provided by No 17 TES at Edwards. “We will take two test F-35Bs from here aboard the Queen Elizabeth this year for two periods of approximately four-week trials, which will be conducted back to back with a short break in the middle. Another six-week period will follow next year in the autumn timeframe.”

‘Wizzer’ Wilson is set to play a crucial role in the QEC trials. “I’ve been to three prior F-35B ship trials as a flying test pilot. I’m not the project pilot for QEC – that is Sqn Ldr Andy Edgell – but I’ll be one of the four pilots.”

Clearly, Wilson’s prior experience will be very important as the ITF takes the first F-35Bs out to the huge new Royal Navy aircraft carrier. “We plan to fly every pilot every day for six days a week and there will be some specific events that I’ll have keen interest in; for example, the shipboard rolling vertical landing [SRVL] is where the engineering is both complex and fascinating.”

Asked about the first time an F-35B will land on HMS Queen Elizabeth, Wilson said that it will be a vertical landing (VL) onto the deck. “The first landing will be a side step to VL and we don’t expect any surprises. We’ve done a lot of this type of work before – there’s enough read-across between the US Marine Corps carriers and the Queen Elizabeth – so we know how the jet operates around the ship and we are comfortable with the modelling and that events will go as the simulator shows us.

“There are multiple levels of flight control augmentation through the systems automation that we have in the F-35. The pilot essentially invokes the level of augmentation they want. So, there’s a fairly large matrix of test points for each event. Usually going to a ship for the first time you’d expect to start out with minimum levels of augmentation. The aircraft cannot ‘hook up’ to the Queen Elizabeth at this point – the F-35 has the capability but the ship doesn’t yet have JPALS [the GPSbased Joint Precision Approach and Landing System]. However, some systems on the aeroplane can interpret data from the carrier, such as determining its speed. JPALS is ultimately designed to give the F-35 auto-land capability; the pilot will simply press a button and the aircraft lands.

“We will fly down the deck centreline for SRVL, and our modelling for this work is very good, but we know we are going to learn some things when we actually get to the ship. The main challenge is physically stopping on the flight deck in a safe fashion. It’s all about the flying qualities, the friction on the deck, the visual landing aids and how the helmet-mounted display [HMD] performs.”

Previously known as the Bedford Array, the SRVL Array is a set of visual aids on the deck that the pilot must line up with the HMD symbology. Wilson said that aligning the two is “tricky”.

While proving out the SRVL modelling isn’t a focus of the initial embarkation, Wilson said there may be a chance for an early ‘look’ at this if the conditions are right. “If we had really good weather and our primary VL envelope expansion testing is on track we might pick up some SRVL work. However, getting a VL envelope for operational testing is the main aim – they don’t need SRVL initially.” In addition, the carrier’s ski jump will feature on every launch. Wilson explained that the F-35 suits the ski jump well: “It’s a very straightforward manoeuvre for the pilot.”

Peters added a little more detail: “We’ll start off in the heart of the flight envelope for the aircraft and the ship, with fairly nominal winds down the deck and steady ship motion. But, by the time we’ve completed the third phase of testing in 2019 we will have flown in up to sea state 6 with 50kts of wind over the deck, with big crosswinds and the ship pitching and rolling.”

The first embarkation, planned for September, is designed to provide sufficient clearances to enable the declaration of UK IOC. The second phase will give ‘initial fleet clearances’, while the third should pave the way for ‘full capability’. “We’ve been working on this for years,” Peters summed up. “Our simulator at Warton has full ship integration and it’s played a large part in the pilot and LSO [landing signals officer] training and the core prediction activity.

“The QEC and UK weapons work is our focus to build on that baseline SDD. For the UK now it’s all about the new UK maritime capability and expanding our combat capability.”

Source: AirForces Monthly Magazine July 2018 No.364
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Unread post23 Jun 2018, 13:39

wrightwing wrote:
spazsinbad wrote:



"...The approximately 3,600 nautical mile journey across the Atlantic required each aircraft to conduct 9 air-air refuelling serials. The F-35B can fly for around 1,800nm but they were kept are topped up to allow an aircraft to reach a diversionary airfield in the case of a refuelling problem...."





That's pretty impressive, that the F-35B's range is only ~140nm shorter, than an Su-35. The A/C models will compare even more favorably.


I knew she had good legs, but THAT good? The SU-35 carries a LOT of gas...
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Unread post28 Jun 2018, 10:23

More benign bollocks we have read before about the UK F-35B arrival, landing RW 01 (HOORAY some INFO!) 4 page PDF.
D-Day at Marham
July 2018 AIR International

"History was made on the 74th anniversary of D-Day, when the UK’s fi rst four F-35B Lightning IIs were delivered to their new home, RAF Marham. AIR International was there...."

Source: AIR International Magazine July 2018 Vol.95 No.1
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Unread post28 Jun 2018, 19:54

The UK might release a review of its combat aircraft industry in July. With an extremely tight budget for defense and a debate about cutting promised equipment acquisitions, cutting future F-35 purchases in favor of developing a new combat aircraft with export potential might be on the table. The last part is not so much in this article, but I have seen it in other articles.

The US is apparently looking a big future aircraft, perhaps for the Penetrating Counter Air (PCA).

Louth said the U.S. might provide another partnering option, although there looks to be a gap between the likely requirements of the two countries.

“The U.S. seems to be talking about a larger platform than we want, so there could be some interesting options around new partners that would fit the British Brexit narrative of global markets,” he said, referring to Britain’s exit from the European Union.


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