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Unread post21 May 2016, 00:25

spazsinbad wrote:Now creepy Brit reporters cannot spell LIGHTNING - shameful - but it is the DAILY FAIL!

Not only that but apearently they have very special paint too on those carriers:
daily fail wrote:An employee inspects a painted section of the flight deck on the carrier, which can fire its defensive machine guns at 6,000 rounds per minute to destroy incoming threats


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Unread post21 May 2016, 02:37

The Daily Mail graphic implies that the QE class will have an admiral aboard to command the battlegroup, as in the US navy.
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Unread post21 May 2016, 02:46

Flag Officer's Suite? In old RN/RAN aircraft carriers there was an 'Admiral's Cabin'. Admirable may or may not have had an 'Admiral's Walkway' outdoors under the ramp. It was a tough place to be, usually under ramp, the arrest wire spaghetti. BANG! :shock:
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Unread post21 May 2016, 15:56

spazsinbad wrote:Flag Officer's Suite? In old RN/RAN aircraft carriers there was an 'Admiral's Cabin'. Admirabe may or may not have had an 'Admiral's Walkway' outdoors under the ramp. It was a tough place to be, usually under ramp, the arrest wire spaghetti. BANG! :shock:


On the QE2 class that position shouldn't be so bad, seeing it's configuration without the CATOBAR stuff :roll:
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Unread post21 May 2016, 16:16

Might be some rolling thunder from the F-35Bs landing mind you.
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Unread post28 May 2016, 08:43

British companies have developed a new thermal metal coating for use on the flight deck of the UK Royal Navy's Queen Elizabeth Class (QEC) aircraft carriers.
25 May 2016 naval-technology.com

"The coating will protect the carriers' flight deck from the heat generated by the thrusters of the new F-35B Lightning II fighter jets.

Developed in partnership with Tyne and Wear-based Monitor Coatings, the protective coating is a combination of aluminium and titanium that can endure heat levels of up to 1,500°C (2,700°F).

The coating is expected to provide a long-term protection through the life of the aircraft carriers and is considered a key part in the preparation of the first carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth for sea trial next year, followed by flight trials in 2018.

Of the total 19,000m² flight deck area of QEC carriers, the coating is applied on the sections measuring 2,000m² by a specially developed robotic spray that fires powdered metal through a plasma jet at a temperature of approximately 10,000°C (18,000°F).

The molten drops quickly condense and flatten to create a 2mm-2.5mm thick, rough and tough coating with the steel structure. The thermal coating work is expected to be completed prior to the sea trials....

..."Working with experts in the UK, we have developed a unique coating to provide the necessary protection to the flight deck of the aircraft carriers and this will ensure they can deliver the UK's carrier strike capability for the next fifty years."..."

Source: http://www.naval-technology.com/news/ne ... rs-4901601

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Unread post04 Jun 2016, 15:52

This 'news' has been on the RAF website for years but some newshounds are slow.... Link from Jan 2011: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=15001&p=189528&hilit=balance#p189528
UK F-35 training set for equal synthetic/live split
03 Jun 2016 Charles Hollosi

"The United Kingdom's nascent joint Royal Air Force (RAF)/Royal Navy Lockheed Martin F-35B Lightning Force is planning to achieve a 50:50 balance between live and synthetic training as the aircraft comes into service towards the end of this decade.

Speaking at the F-35 conference at ITEC 2016, Lightning Force commander Air Commodore Harvey Smyth emphasised the need for this balance to exploit the capabilities of the aircraft against the high-end threats it has been procured to counter. These include some mission sets that are new to the United Kingdom and the aircraft's inherent capability to perform mission simultaneity (the F-35 exploiting its sensors for intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition, and reconnaissance [ISTAR] while the pilot carries out a defensive counter-air mission, for example)...." [PAYWALL]

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Unread post06 Jun 2016, 17:42

Maybe more details behind the paywall - dunno....
UK F-35 training set for equal synthetic/live split
06 Jun 2016 Charles Hollosi

"...According to Air Cdre Smyth the move to the new training balance [50/50 for F-35B] is "there already from a cultural point of view. … We are already well on the synthetic journey, certainly in combat air." The Panavia Tornado force currently has a 65/35 split between live and synthetic training, while the Eurofighter Typhoon force has been trialling an approach that sees crossover pilots converting from other types going through the Operational Conversion Unit in the simulator before going to their front-line squadron for live flying without having touched the aircraft before. This approach has also been trialled with ab initio pilots and combat-ready workup for front-line aviators "so there's work going on as to how far we can go in the sim and what we can get out of it," Air Cdre Smyth explained.

The focus for F-35 is to create flexible training syllabi that can be tested and adjusted to take into account new tactics, techniques, and procedures (TTPs) as an adversary changes its way of operating. The new generation of pilots coming through the training pipeline that will operate the F-35 will facilitate this through their familiarity and comfort with today's technology....."

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Unread post08 Jun 2016, 12:12

Interesting article about integration of F-35 to RAF: http://www.sldinfo.com/royal-air-force-operations-and-evolving-concepts-of-operations-shaping-a-triple-transition/

Some interesting quotes:

Group Captain Paul Godfrey: The penny dropped for me three years ago when I flew Typhoon with USAF F-22s on Exercise Western Zephyr at Langley AFB.

This was the first time I’d seen and operated within a 4th/5th gen fighter mix and I saw exactly how powerful it could be.

The F-22s in the formation demonstrably made the Typhoons more lethal and, more importantly, more survivable.


The F-35 has had a troubled history in terms of the press, but for us, it is a revolutionary capability that perfectly suits the current and planned UK capabilities.


At the same time, the modernization of Typhoon is underway and we have seen real progress in terms of electronic warfare, sensors and integration, and improvements in the human machine interface which is going to the cockpit more effective to operate the aircraft in the expanded battlespace with 5th gen assets.


Fifth generation systems are unique, and Typhoon is a different type of aircraft, but working through how to leverage both is a key to the evolution of our approach.

Combined together, we will see significant force multiplication. We must expand our horizon, and think about them as a system as a whole, which might have one or two different platforms in operation and then using those capabilities of each for a greater effect.

We also need to shape a different mindset as we work the new combat approach.

The F-35 is the newer platform and revolutionary in many respects.


It seems like RAF pilots really like getting F-35. EF Typhoon is an excellent aircraft, but just represents old era of thinking and technology.
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Unread post10 Jun 2016, 14:45

More on UK preparations to host F-35 on it's new carriers from the perspective of one who'll manage flight deck operations.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/lo ... y-carrier/
Royal Navy deck operations Sub-Lieutenant Barry Richardson has been preparing for his role on the new HMS Queen Elizabeth with a month-long secondment on the $4.5billion USS Harry S Truman, the flagship of a United States maritime strike force.


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"When a fifth-generation fighter meets a fourth-generation fighter—the [latter] dies,”
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Unread post10 Jun 2016, 14:58

This is NOT a Sub-Lieutenant. THIS IS A LIEUTENANT! FFSAKE! "Sub-Lieutenant Barry Richardson" BOLLOCKS!

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Unread post11 Jun 2016, 00:22

It's nce to have friends. Note that the USN has offered a similar training to their Indian counterparts as they ponder their future CV direction.

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-la ... the-future
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Unread post11 Jun 2016, 04:27

Does the picture at the bottom look to anyone else like it has an American plane in the background next to text about what British & French folks are up to?
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Unread post11 Jun 2016, 04:41

Sure. However USN Hornets do cross deck on CdeG - but yeah. Errors in NavAv material are legion. In my estimation few people know much about it. To correct this sad situation I have spent more than a decade catching up with my first hand knowledge of RAN FAA Fixed Wing Carrier Aviation in the A4G and putting all that material in an online PDF or two. Gosh almighty there is a lot of stuff - but who has time to read it? Fun thing is that these PDFs are text searchable with a rudimentary (sometimes) bookmark index - so they do not have to be read from go to whoa. Follow the links at the bottom of this post. Let me know by e-mail or PM in this forum (I prefer e-mail) of any errors or new material. TIA. 8)
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Unread post11 Jun 2016, 04:45

Earlier on this thread there is info about the 'dummy deck' training with Harriers done by the RN. Here is more info from AIR INTERNATIONAL Magazine Jan 2016 PDF - 6 pages - attached below.
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