UK MOD in a muddle over F-35C

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Unread post20 Mar 2015, 03:39

C/- 'istobie' on NavWeaps Forum a reminder of 'dem twere days': http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/un ... assemblies OR http://www.dsca.mil/sites/default/files ... 1-47_0.pdf (50Kb)
"WASHINGTON, Nov. 15, 2011 – The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress today of a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of the United Kingdom for one long lead sub-assemblies for the Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System/Advanced Arresting Gear (EMALS/AAG) and associated equipment, parts, training and logistical support for an estimated cost of $200 million.

The Government of the United Kingdom (UK) has requested the long lead sub-assemblies for the Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System/Advanced Arresting Gear (EMALS/AAG). The EMALS long lead sub-assemblies include: Energy Storage System, Power Conditioning System, and Launch Control System. The AAG includes: Power Conditioning, Energy Absorption Subsystems, Shock Absorbers, and Drive Fairleads. Also proposed are other items for Aircraft Launch and Recovery Equipment, spare and repair parts, support equipment, personnel training and training equipment, publications and technical documentation, software support, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services, and all other related elements of program support. The estimated cost is $200 million....

...This notice of a potential sale is required by law and does not mean the sale has been concluded."
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Unread post22 Mar 2015, 19:41

I think we made the right decision for the UK - been nice to have avoided the flip flop in the middle which cost us time and money but STOVL ops off a ski ramp work plus two carriers completed and ready to roll as opposed to the alternative of one fitted for cats and t'other in extended reserve with no cats..nah..
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Unread post22 Mar 2015, 20:17

spazsinbad wrote:.."WASHINGTON, Nov. 15, 2011 .Sale to the Government of the United Kingdom for one long lead sub-assemblies for the Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System..


Probably couldn't have made it work with the 50hz power.... :doh: :D
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Unread post22 Mar 2015, 20:17

stobiewan wrote:I think we made the right decision for the UK - been nice to have avoided the flip flop in the middle which cost us time and money but STOVL ops off a ski ramp work plus two carriers completed and ready to roll as opposed to the alternative of one fitted for cats and t'other in extended reserve with no cats..nah..



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Unread post24 Mar 2015, 04:57

:devil: I believe the GAURDIAN is a bit 'suss' (suspect) but anyway rather than punch this one in the basement I'll PUNCH it UP here: [PUNCH being a now derelict UK Humour Mag'n - of humour and satire, ran from 1841-2002 www.punch.co.uk/about/ ] :mrgreen: :doh:
Prince of Wales aircraft carrier ‘makes little sense’ without aircraft to fly from it
[SO BUY THE EXTRA FRICKIN' AIRCRAFT YOUSE UK BOZOS (the clown[s]) :drool:
24 Mar 2015 Richard Norton-Taylor

"MPs warn in report of spiralling costs of aircraft and of support needed to protect carrier with ships and submarines.

A second large aircraft carrier planned for the navy – the Prince of Wales – would make “little sense” unless enough money could be found to provide it with planes to fly from it and ships to protect it, a cross-party group of MPs warned on Tuesday.

The verdict, at a time of intense financial pressure on Britain’s armed forces, is contained in a Commons defence committee report, entitled Rethinking Defence to Meet New Threats....

...David Cameron appeared at last year’s Nato summit to quash speculation about the Prince of Wales’s future by saying the navy would go ahead and commission it. There had been widespread reports it would be sold abroad or mothballed....

...others say that the ships could carry a wide range of aircraft, including helicopters and pilotless drones in a wide range of operations involving the armed forces of a number of countries. It has been suggested that the US Marine Corps could use a British carrier for some of its F-35 aircraft.

“It will be more of a waste of money not to use (a second carrier)” Elizabeth Quintana, senior research fellow for air power at the Royal United Services Institute thinktank, said. She added that it could be used in coalition operations facing a range of threats.


Witnesses who gave evidence to the committee emphasised the need for “spooks, geeks and thugs” – intelligence services, cyber experts and special forces – to combat modern security threats, Tuesday’s report says. [GET DEM 'SPOOKS' to PUNCH OUT a few lights as required... :roll: ] :shock: 8)

Source: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... nse-report
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Unread post24 Mar 2015, 07:59

This is where the "Allies" comes in. Hopefully it won't be just the USMC but other Allied "commonwealth" nations who would give meaning to the QE & PoW titles. The QE / PoW should be a strong marketing pitch for more F-35B participation for certain countries.
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Unread post03 Apr 2015, 19:45

OH NO! NOT another CVF Animation?! 'Shapes of Things to Come' - Yardbirds (Oh Yeah a real OLD but Brit Band Guv) :devil:

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Unread post03 Apr 2015, 20:32

Generation preparation on board the Navy's new flagship
02 April 2015 David Downs

"...The sixth drop of software for the Integrated Platform Management System (IPMS) has passed its factory acceptance testing at L3’s test facility in Bristol and is now available to be installed on the ship’s hardware. This will provide the commissioning engineers working on the platform systems with functionality which will allow them to progress in setting the ship’s systems to work.

The network of fibre optics that make up the ships Integrated Network Environment which provide the backbone on which the IPMS and the various Command and Control systems run is making good progress in being installed and progressively set to work. Both the Ship Control Centre and the Operations Room now have live computer screens displaying real data....

...The capacity of the Queen Elizabeth Class integrated communications system has been successfully demonstrated in a large scale trial at the Royal Navy Training School HMS Collingwood on the South coast. This three day trial involved 70 serving Royal Navy personnel operating 120 Tactical Voice Terminals linked through a fibre optic network in the same way as they will be on the ship, and tested the system well beyond its designed capacity. More than 20,000 operator actions were made over the course of the three days, proving that the system can run 600 active phones while still supporting 1,100 concurrent group and open line users.

In February 17(Reserve) Squadron became the first UK squadron operating the F35B Lightning 2 jet aircraft when they started operational testing with the first of the UK’s aircraft at Edwards Airforce base in the USA. 17 Squadron was formed in 1915 and to mark the 100th anniversary of the squadron a fly past with the F35B has taken place in front of the Chief of the Airstaff. This squadron manned by RAF and Royal Navy flight crew and engineers are now operating and maintaining the aircraft completely separately from their US colleagues which is an important step towards the first flying trials with HMS Queen Elizabeth off the east coast of the USA in 2018.

At the aircraft carrier’s home port at Portsmouth Naval Base, preparations are being made for HMS Queen Elizabeth to arrive having completed initial sea trials in late 2016 or early 2017...."

Source: http://www.theengineer.co.uk/home/blog/ ... 55.article
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Unread post04 Apr 2015, 01:25

"No One wants to read a manual"
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“In this video interview Mark Langdon talks to Steve Dowdell, mission system director for the Aircraft Carrier Alliance about the UKs newest aircraft carriers which are taking shape in an artificial world high above Portsmouth. More great videos can be seen at” http://kn.theiet.org/youtube

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Unread post11 Apr 2015, 13:03

:doh: :mrgreen: I'll leave youse to find out what UCKERS is. I despise this game with a vengeance but cannot resist this cartoon. Signed in the CVF stateroom Heads probably. :doh: :devil: MAX Head Room.
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Unread post23 Apr 2015, 07:40

Have the Brits announced anything comparable to Oz' Plan Jericho? Quite a contrast between an unnamed RAF Officer opining his vision vs. Chief of the RAAF unveiling how his Service intends to proactively transform itself from within to incorporate and best utilize new technologies to come out ahead in a future conflict.


http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ve-411468/

Air forces could further exploit surveillance potential of offensive assets


Fighter aircraft could be utilised as surveillance assets to avoid stovepipe operations and allow more data to be collected and exploited in future conflicts, a Royal Air Force officer claims.

In the current operational command structure, combat aircraft and intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) assets are split into two areas of command, thus stovepiping each type, the RAF officer told the SMi ISR conference in London.

“We need to find a way of jolting the system to bring us back to a single operation,” he notes. “The fast jets now have as much capability to collect ISR data as the big traditional [ISR] planes, but they don’t have the capability to process and disseminate it.”

The UK’s introduction of the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter will test this theory, as the type boasts a sophisticated active electronically scanned array radar, which will provide “phenomenal capability”.

“We need to be able to exploit this and use all of that data being collected from the Lightning,” the officer notes.
"When a fifth-generation fighter meets a fourth-generation fighter—the [latter] dies,”
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Unread post23 Apr 2015, 07:50

Would this be helpful? viewtopic.php?f=37&t=27247&p=289661&hilit=Eurocentric#p289661
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"...Group Captain Paul Godfrey from the Royal Air Force explained the RAF approach to modernization and the impact of the F-35 on that modernization.

As a Harrier, F-16, and Typhoon pilot, Godfrey looked at the role of the F-35 in opening up the aperture for Royal Navy and Royal Air Force modernization which comes together in the form of the new HMS Queen Elizabeth carrier.

Although Godfrey did not say this, the reality is that the HMS Queen Elizabeth could well be a key participant in coalition operations to deter Russia in the Baltics and the Nordic region...."

"...The rethinking being done by the Royal Australian Air Force, the Royal Air Force, the Dutch Air Force and the Danish Air Force as well as the USMC were the major inputs to challenging the participants at the Conference to think through the rapidly evolving demands for and reshaping of approaches for successful coalition airpower.

In the weeks ahead, we will publish many of the presentations and highlight questions and approaches highlighted at this important, and foundational effort to rethink where the democracies are headed in reshaping coalition airpower...."
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Unread post23 Apr 2015, 09:10

spazsinbad wrote:Would this be helpful? viewtopic.php?f=37&t=27247&p=289661&hilit=Eurocentric#p289661
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More zingers here: http://www.sldinfo.com/copenhagen-airpo ... -airpower/
"...Group Captain Paul Godfrey from the Royal Air Force explained the RAF approach to modernization and the impact of the F-35 on that modernization.

As a Harrier, F-16, and Typhoon pilot, Godfrey looked at the role of the F-35 in opening up the aperture for Royal Navy and Royal Air Force modernization which comes together in the form of the new HMS Queen Elizabeth carrier.

Although Godfrey did not say this, the reality is that the HMS Queen Elizabeth could well be a key participant in coalition operations to deter Russia in the Baltics and the Nordic region...."

"...The rethinking being done by the Royal Australian Air Force, the Royal Air Force, the Dutch Air Force and the Danish Air Force as well as the USMC were the major inputs to challenging the participants at the Conference to think through the rapidly evolving demands for and reshaping of approaches for successful coalition airpower.

In the weeks ahead, we will publish many of the presentations and highlight questions and approaches highlighted at this important, and foundational effort to rethink where the democracies are headed in reshaping coalition airpower...."

Thanks, safe to guess the RAF Officer is unnamed no longer..looking forward in the near future to the presentations alluded to. Still, kudos to the RAAF for making an early splash. :) in thought leadership.
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Unread post09 May 2015, 19:55

Good luck reading the moving text in this long article - best on the CVF part of three - YMMV.
The USS America, CVN-78 and HMS Queen Elizabeth: Crafting Capabilities for 21st Century Operations
09 May 2015 Robbin F. Laird

"...It is clear that the USN, the USMC, the Royal Air Force and the Royal Navy are all pursuing new carrier programs designed to thrive, not just survive in 21st century operations....

...HMS Queen Elizabeth: Reinventing the Large Deck Carrier

The Brits invented carrier warfare; and in many ways with their new 65,000 ton carrier they are reinventing the large deck carrier and providing something of a hybrid between the USS America and CVN-78. The flight deck is impressive and is about 90% of the size of the Nimitz class and has a very wide deck upon which operations can be generated.

When I stood at the end of the ski jump and looked down at the flight deck, its width was significant. And I learned that the flight deck was built by Laird Shipbuilding (unfortunately no relation!).

This ship is designed to operate F-35Bs, which means that the RAF and the RN will drive every bit of innovation out of the aircraft to provide C2, ISR and strike capabilities. And given the F-35B enabled USS America, it is no surprise to learn that their working relationship with the USN-USMC team is close. And the Brits will train with the Marines along with other international partners that will fly the F-35B at Beaufort Marine Corps Air Station in North Carolina.

Walking the ship takes time, but several innovations one sees aboard the Ford can be found aboard the HMS Queen Elizabeth: significant energy generation, significant C2 capabilities, very large rooms for reconfigurable C2 suites for operations across the ROMO, as well as well designed work areas for the F-35B crews which will handle the operations and data generated by the F-35 to the fleet.

It is a ship designed to transform both the RAF and the RN for it will integrate significantly with the surface and subsurface fleet and the land-based air for the RAF....

...Conclusion
Despite the critics, new carriers are being built.

They are designed to work more effectively in an integrated operational space and can provide both defense and offense to the joint and coalition force.

They are key elements of the distributed force, one which is forging a 21st century approach to offense-defense enterprise and able to operate across the spectrum of military operations.

We can only see the glimmer of the future, but the paths to the future are clear and one pathway is through the reinvention of the large deck carrier."

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Unread post10 May 2015, 20:20

:mrgreen: <sarcasm on>Canada has packed it in - time for UK to do the same<sarcasm off> What is with these guys predicting such a dire future? Combat Ready? What does that mean if not IOC? OR am I missing something? What is the IOC for UKjets? What are the other IOCs for USofA. :twisted: ALL THE ENGINES NEED REMOVING & FIXING? OhMeOhMy so Foff Ukers! :devil: I THOUGHT THE CVFs were the BIGGEST WHITE EFELANTS! :doh:
New US fighter jet on course to becoming ‘one of history’s biggest white elephants’
10 May 2015 Jonathan Owen

"...Britain’s F-35s and its new aircraft carriers “are scheduled to declare an integrated Carrier Strike Initial Operating Capability by 2020”, according to the MoD....

...And Britain’s F-35 jets will be some way down the queue, with the US manufacturers prioritising jets bought by the US Marine Corps.... [SQUIRM SQUIRM - I WANT TO CHANGE my U derPants - THIS IS SCARY STUFF!]

...In a statement, MoD said: “The UK is ... planning to order a further 10 F-35B aircraft over the next three years. The UK’s aircraft are on schedule to have the warfighting capability required by the UK in 2018.”...

...The UK needs to order a “minimum” of 48 F-35s, according to Admiral Lord West, former security minister and First Sea Lord, a view shared by Sir Nick Harvey. This would cost some £4.1bn. [What is the price per aircraft?]

“I’d have thought the minimum order they’ve got to have by 2020 is about 48 aircraft, but I’m sure the RAF hope there will be more ordered than that because the F-35 is replacing the Tornado,” said Lord West...."

Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 38761.html
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