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Unread post19 Jul 2014, 06:52

HMS Queen Elizabeth afloat at Rosyth
Published on Jul 17, 2014 Royal Navy

"Aerial footage of HMS Queen Elizabeth afloat in the tidal basin at Rosyth - video taken by HMS Gannet SAR Flight."

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Unread post19 Jul 2014, 17:59

Thanks, a few decals I see.
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Unread post23 Jul 2014, 20:51

TIME LAPSE VIDEO of the movement of CVF: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/news ... -time.html
"...It then took three hours on the 17 July to carefully manoeuvre HMS Queen Elizabeth out of the dock with just two metres clearance at either side and then berth her alongside a nearby jetty...."

Watch the Navy's new carrier take to the water
23 Jul 2014 Alan Tovey

"...The 65,000-tonne vessel was on Wednesday floated out into the basin of the Rosyth dockyard in a three-hour operation, after work to flood her dry dock began earlier this week.

There was just seven feet of clearance either side of carrier, which has a beam of 128ft at the waterline and 230ft at her widest point because of her overhanging flight deck.

The 920ft ship was moored alongside the jetty at the dockyard....

...Once operational, HMS Queen Elizabeth will carry up to 40 F35B Joint Strike Fighters..."

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/1098 ... water.html
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Unread post23 Jul 2014, 21:50

[quote="spazsinbad"][..Queen Elizabeth will carry up to 40 F35B Joint Strike Fighters...".quote]

muddlin' about....the Canberra!, has she been back to sea trials lately? Nothing new here in the States about her?

How far along is the top work on the Melbourne?

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Unread post23 Jul 2014, 22:37

Probably the thread with the most info about Oz LHDs is this one: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=12631&start=915 go backwards - however there are others such as this good JUMPING OFF point: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=20426&start=420

The first Oz LHD is CANBERRA and later the second is ADELAIDE. HMAS Melbourne is in service as a warship and is not an aircraft carrier - HMAS Melbourne (II) was the one - now long gone since 1982.
"HMAS Melbourne (III) is one of the Royal Australian Navy's four Adelaide [Just to be confusing] Class guided missile frigates..."


Work proceeds on ADELAIDE (in the port city of Melbourne) the 'NuShip' as they are referred to these days BEFORE they are commissioned. And I have no idea about further sea trials for NuShip Canberra. Last I read she was due for handover to the RAN by the end of the year.
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Unread post28 Jul 2014, 21:40

TIME LAPSE VIDEO - geez these guys are quick eh. :doh:

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Unread post28 Jul 2014, 23:33

Engine Problems Still Cloud F-35 Progress
28 Jul 2014 Chris Pocock, AINonline

"...The JPO has not yet completed negotiations with LM for the LRIP 8 batch neither of aircraft, nor with P&W for the LRIP-7+8 engines. “It’s a long process…the Pentagon has raised the standard for FAR Part 15 contracting,” noted Croswell. The lack of agreements has delayed the UK’s commitment to buy 14 F-35Bs for its first squadron. At the recent Farnborough Air Show, former UK Defence Secretary Philip Hammond told AIN that negotiations are continuing. “As you would expect, we’re looking to get the best deal we can for the British taxpayer,” he said."

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Unread post01 Aug 2014, 18:31

A lot of stories about CVF in this online magazine:

http://issuu.com/faircountmedia/docs/hms_queenelizabeth
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Unread post01 Aug 2014, 18:43

Sunk Costs: New Carriers Commit UK To Buy Escorts & F-35Bs, Says 1st Sea Lord 01 Aug 2014 Sydney J. Freedberg Jr.

"...First Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Staff, Adm. Sir George Zambellas, assured a Washington audience Wednesday that — to paraphrase his guarded Britishisms into American bluntness — it’s too late to cheap out. Building the carriers has already committed British politicians not only to funding their operations, escort vessels, and aircraft, but also to a carrier-centered naval strategy that puts warfighting first and peacetime presence second.

If you don’t buy adequate F-35s, “you build £6.2 billion worth of carriers, you then don’t put a tiny piece of butter on the bread,” Zambellas said to general laughter at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “You’ve got to do it properly. And I’m absolutely certain, with delivery of a credible carrier strike capability, we will see a growth of commitments to F-35s to meet the maximum value the government would want to derive from the strategic assets they have bought and are paying for [already].”...

...“Authority” and “credibility” were the admiral’s mantras throughout his remarks, which were tinged with the usual post-imperial anxiety about Britain’s place in the world. If only one carrier is operational, Zambellas said in one example, it may be in refit when a crisis erupts, “and then your authority sort kind of drains away down the plug hole.” Building the carriers is “a grown-up statement of intent,” he said, the UK’s forthcoming nuclear missile submarines will provide “deterrence [at] absolutely the top end of the game,” and the US and UK needed to operate as one in the Persian Gulf ” so if we have to fight side by side, we Brits don’t let you down.”..."

Source: http://breakingdefense.com/2014/08/sunk ... -sea-lord/
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Unread post06 Aug 2014, 06:31

HMS Queen Elizabeth: How will she be used?
Published on Jul 4, 2014 defenceheadquarters

"What is HMS Queen Elizabeth going to be used for? How will she work? Find out here."


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Unread post22 Aug 2014, 17:17

Monitor Coatings to supply U.K. carrier flight deck coatings
22 Aug 2014 MarineLog

“After a two-year test program, Monitor Coatings Ltd. has been awarded a contract to provide a nonskid, thermal gas wash resistant deck coating for the two largest ships ever built for the U.K. Royal Navy, the aircraft carriers HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales.

The lead ship, HMS Queen Elizabeth, is scheduled to commission in early 2017, with initial operational capability from 2020 and has a 19,500 sq.m flight deck.

In May 2012, Monitor Coatings Ltd was contracted to investigate and deliver a suitable deck coating that would withstand the aerothermal environment and gas wash exhaust when the F35B STOL variants of the Joint Strike Fighter that will operate from the carrier conduct a hover transition and vertical landing.

Monitor Coatings contract included the development of techniques required for large scale preparation and application of a Thermal Metal Spray System (TMS) over an area in excess of 19,500 sq.m, the development of process-technology readiness and manufacturing capability levels acceptable for large scale application and long term support for the decks of the two carriers.

The scope of work culminated in a two day demonstration of the process application, quality system and in-service repair program of the Monitor Coatings Thermal Metal Spray System. The demonstration day was well received by senior naval officers and civilians from the marine engineering community.”

Source: http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?opti ... Itemid=231
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Unread post23 Aug 2014, 00:17

So the UK prefer a local alternative to Thermion, perhaps they think they can find something better or cheaper. It seems they intend to coat the entire flight deck as opposed to designated landing spots.
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Unread post23 Aug 2014, 01:32

Credible sources (and above) have said that this issue with the CVF deck paint has been studied for some time and of course known about since whenever you wish because the RN operated Harriers also. Vaguely I recall THERMION being a Brit company but I'll have to look that up now. [NOPE - MADE IN THE USA] Just today I saw this news - I guess it is not THERMION but the conventional deck coating....

http://www.thermioninc.com/nonskid.php
Bonhomme Richard flight deck unfit for flight operations, could delay next deployment
22 Aug 2014 James Kimber Stars and Stripes

"SASEBO NAVAL BASE, Japan – The USS Bonhomme Richard will likely miss its next underway deployment after a botched $3 million resurfacing of the amphibious assault ship’s flight deck.

The ship had undergone the resurfacing less than a month ago.

“A recent application of non-skid coating on the flight deck of the USS Bonhomme Richard was not up to Navy safety standards and is being reapplied,” Cmdr. William Marks, spokesman for 7th Fleet, said in an email to Stars and Stripes....

...officials from Naval Ship Repair Facility and Japan Regional Maintenance Center Detachment Sasebo saw the non-skid surface was flaking.

Further testing confirmed the nonskid material had not set properly, making the surface unsafe for flight operations, something preliminary quality-assurance testing didn’t indicate, Marks said....

...“We are now researching the root cause of the failure,” Marks said. “There could be a number of reasons it didn’t set properly and we won’t know the final details until additional testing takes place.”

As a result, the ship will likely have to delay its next deployment, which was set for late September or early October. The ship is currently conducting sea trials, and the repairs will take place afterward.

Personnel from SRF-JRMC Detachment Sasebo are working with technical experts from Naval Sea Systems Command and Naval Surface Warfare Center Carderock on a rework plan, the Navy said. The same contractor, Sumitomo Heavy Industries, is expected to reapply the nonskid with increased oversight.

“At this time, the contract for this rework is not yet complete,” said Marks. “SRF is still reviewing what it can do to hold the original contractor accountable for paying for the rework.”..."

Photo: http://www.stripes.com/polopoly_fs/1.29 ... /image.jpg
Caption: "The USS Bonhomme Richard sits moored at Fleet Activities Sasebo Japan. Inspectors found that the recent $3 million resurfacing of the Bonhomme Richard did not set properly, meaning its deck is unsafe for flight operations. Courtesy of U.S. Navy"

Source: http://www.stripes.com/news/bonhomme-ri ... t-1.299463
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Unread post23 Aug 2014, 02:42

Some info on Monitor Coatings:
Severe Operating Environments
Monitor provide a wide range of coatings and surface engineering disciplines to combat various chemical, physical and mechanical environments which include:
• Wear Resistant,
• Corrosion Resistant,
• Rub Tolerant,
• Thermal Barrier and Abradable coatings.
• Abrasion Resistant Coatings
• Ceramic Coatings
• Corrosion Resistant Coatings
• Flame Spray Coatings
• Industrial Coatings
• Metal Spray Coatings
• Thermal Spray Coatings
• Wear Resistant Coatings
• Wire Spray Coatings
• HVOF Coatings
• Plasma Coatings
• Low Pressure Plasma Spraying (LPPS)
• Slurry Coatings"

Source: http://monitorcoatings.com/severe-opera ... vironments


http://monitorcoatings.com/userfiles/Fi ... rating.pdf (290Kb)
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Unread post05 Sep 2014, 16:28

Aircraft carrier won't be sold off
05 Sep 2014 Belfast Telegraph

The Royal Navy's second new aircraft carrier, the Prince of Wales, is to be brought into service, rather than sold off or mothballed, Prime Minister David Cameron has announced.

The announcement came as members of the 28-nation Nato alliance sealed a pledge to reverse declining trends for defence budgets and to move towards meeting the target of spending 2% of GDP over the next decade.

The future of the Prince of Wales had been in question after the 2010 strategic defence review suggested it could be mothballed or sold to save money.

Mr Cameron said at a press conference at the conclusion of the two-day Nato summit in south Wales: "This will ensure that we will always have one carrier available, 100% of the time.

"They are an investment in British security, British prosperity and our place in the world, transforming our ability to project power globally, whether independently or with our allies."..."

Source: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... 63926.html
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