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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 08:47

More than 150 F-35s per year is just insane. That's getting near F-16 production numbers during 1980s. I don't think this kind of mass production has happened since. My head sure is spinning in this death spiral... :wink:
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 08:56

Somebody oughtta tell 'dethspiralsolomon'.
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 12:42

geforcerfx wrote:440 aircraft sold at once, that's just insane. I thought the US couldn't join the block buy until OT&E was done? At any rate that will prob make some peoples heads exploded, just imagine if Canada joins as well, the tears will flow.

AFAIK completing OT&E is a requirement for a MYP but a Block Buy bypasses that step.
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Unread post20 Jun 2017, 06:21

I would have thought the ' potential block buy' soon would have gone elsewhere but anyway here it is now....
Lockheed grows closer to F-35 block buy deal with US, international customers
19 Jun 2017 Valerie Insinna

"LE BOURGET, France — Lockheed Martin is hammering out the details on a F-35 block buy proposal that could shave $2 billion off the total cost of the purchase, the company’s F-35 program manager said.

The deal, which could be worth anywhere from $35 billion to $40 billion, would include about 440 aircraft for procured in low-rate production lots 12, 13 and 14, Jeff Babione, executive vice president and general manager, said Monday at the Paris Air Show. The F-35 joint program office has said the United States would pursue an economic order quantity, or EOQ, agreement — which would allow the U.S. military to buy spare parts over multiple years, but not entire aircraft — instead of a block buy.

Eleven countries, including the United States, are interested in participating and are nearing a decision, Reuters reported Monday morning. The average price of an A-model would drop to an estimated $85 million as a result....

...“It’s more than just airplanes. You get the spares; you get training. There will be a lot of things that go with that contract, but it will be in that scale,” he said. “This supports the ramp of staff that we have been talking about for some time, growing from about 150,000 worldwide to closer to 200,000.”...

...[Babione] “Again, if you’re going to buy the airplanes, why wouldn’t you put in a construct or an angle to produce and offer those airplanes at the lowest possible price? So we’re encouraged by the support, and I think it’s something that will go forward.”"

Source: http://www.defensenews.com/articles/loc ... -customers
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Unread post21 Jun 2017, 21:51

If this deal materializes, it could be the best news the F-35 program has seen in a long time, could it not? A block buy of this magnitude validates assertions made by many here on f-16.net that if a block buy is arranged, unit prices will fall significantly.

For many years Lockheed-Martin has been claiming that F-35 prices will fall significantly if only the various government buyers would commit to larger-scale lot buys. It certainly is great news to see partner governments finally agreeing to buy in greater quantities. Kudos to the many here at f-16.net who have long advocated for raising purchase quantities as the best means for saving program dollars.

If my count is correct, it seems that the only partner country or foreign customer not participating is Canada. Regret, it seems, is only for Canadians. :)
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Unread post22 Jun 2017, 18:31

Marine Aviation Says He'd Like Want 13 More F-35Bs; Lockheed PM Speaks On Timing, Block Buy
22 Jul 2017 COLIN CLARK

"[Jeff Babione in VIDEO]...lays out what’s needed and details just how much money may be needed to add to the budget to make the big 450-plane Block Buy for Low Rate of Initial Production lots 12-14 a reality. The block buy, of course, is designed to provide economies of scale for the U.S., F-35 partner nations and friends and allies like Japan and Israel. For perspective, the first 11 LRIP lots put together account for 448 planes. This should help bring down the unit cost — always a politically sensitive issue, especially for partner countries — close to $80 million a plane.

To make the Block Buy a reality and smooth out production as much as possible, the Joint Program Office estimates how much it thinks is needed for advanced procurement of parts and tooling. Babione says the estimate is about $660 million should be inserted into the fiscal 2018 budget.

My prediction: Rep. Kay Granger, chair of the House Appropriations defense subcommittee and lawmaker from Fort Worth, Texas (home of Lockheed’s F-35 plant), will find a way to add that money to the budget. It’s good for her constituents, the F-35 partners are likely to support it and the longer-term goal of substantially reducing the unit cost is in just about everyone’s interest."



Source: http://breakingdefense.com/2017/06/mari ... block-buy/

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