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Re: F-35 Program Docs

Unread postPosted: 15 Jun 2016, 22:27
by playloud
Wouldn't let me upload as attachment.

http://www.fisher.org.il/2016/Adir%20Po ... yNorth.pdf

It looks like a presentation from Gary North (VP of Customer Requirements for LMA) to Israel on the F-35.

What I find of interest is a stated figure of 760 nmi for combat radius in an internal A2A configuration (page 7).

Re: F-35 Program Docs

Unread postPosted: 15 Jun 2016, 22:38
by spazsinbad
File size limit is 11Mb AFAIK so PDF should be uploadable. I'll give it a go... BTW this PDF with range graphic first mentioned here by 'SWP' viewtopic.php?f=58&t=24027&p=341582&hilit=North#p341582

Re: F-35 Program Docs

Unread postPosted: 16 Jun 2016, 17:43
by spazsinbad
Country by country summary of F-35 interest/involvement five page PDF attached.
F-35 LIGHTNING II COUNTRY-BY-COUNTRY ANALYSIS
July 2016 Aviation News, Tom Kaminski

"Lockheed Martin has developed the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) to fulfill multiple missions. It is produced in three basic versions: the conventional take-off and landing (CTOL) F-35A, the short take-off/vertical landing (STOVL) F-35B and the carrier variant (CV) F-35C. So far 12 customers have announced plans to acquire the Lightning II, as Tom Kaminski explains....

...Production deliveries began in 2011 and by the end of March 2016, Lockheed Martin had delivered 162 aircraft comprising 92 F-35A, 28 F-35B and 22 F-35C models with 229 F-35s currently under contract. More than 250 pilots and 2,400 maintainers from six nations have been qualified through the F-35 training units..."

Source: Aviation News July 2016

Re: F-35 Program Docs

Unread postPosted: 06 Jul 2016, 18:50
by spazsinbad
'bayernfan' posted a link to a WiB Axe article that cites this PDF attached:

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=48322&p=346170&hilit=David#p346170

AFOTEC Technology Challenges 03 Jul2016

http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2016Test/OT&EPanel.pdf (3.1Mb)

And just because reading is not boring earlier 'gideonic' had posted a link to more or less the same Axe article which was rehashed later to be cited by 'bayernfan' with the PDF link wot is here. Geddit? Don't worry it is just axe recycling stuff.

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=25623&p=345702&hilit=David#p345702

Re: F-35 Program Docs

Unread postPosted: 06 Jul 2016, 19:09
by bojack_horseman
Is there video transmission to ground troops?
Like the ROVER system?

Re: F-35 Program Docs

Unread postPosted: 07 Jul 2016, 01:45
by SpudmanWP
bojack_horseman wrote:Is there video transmission to ground troops?
Like the ROVER system?


Block 4

Remember that Rover did not even exist when the F-35 started development & planned out the Block schedule.

If it was that important to the Services then they would have inserted it into Block3F.

Re: F-35 Program Docs

Unread postPosted: 22 Sep 2016, 19:05
by spazsinbad
Latest 3rd Quarter LM F-35 Fast Facts dated 13 Sep 2016 attached

"F-35s have flown more than 68,000 cumulative flight hours since Dec. 2006."

Source: https://a855196877272cb14560-2a4fa819a6 ... q2016_.pdf

Re: F-35 Program Docs

Unread postPosted: 23 Sep 2016, 10:00
by zero-one
spazsinbad wrote:Latest 3rd Quarter LM F-35 Fast Facts dated 13 Sep 2016 attached

"F-35s have flown more than 68,000 cumulative flight hours since Dec. 2006."

Source: https://a855196877272cb14560-2a4fa819a6 ... q2016_.pdf


Just a few things on the specifications table,

The Empty weight is listed as 29,300 for the A model,
but here
https://timemilitary.files.wordpress.co ... pdf#page=3
it was already put down to 29,098 lbs.

I know some jets may have small weight increases as time goes by as maintenance crews reinforce some parts of the plane on a specific aircraft, but wouldn't the graph show the standard weight when it rolls off the production plant.

Also, uninstalled thrust ratings are on 40,000 lbs, but here
http://www.pw.utc.com/Content/Press_Kit ... _pCard.pdf
it says 43,000 lbs uninstalled.

Re: F-35 Program Docs

Unread postPosted: 23 Sep 2016, 10:09
by spazsinbad
We have been over these issues a few times now. TIME? What a joke - disregard. P&W I give in. LM statistics have to be a gold standard - otherwise there are no standards. Yes the weight of an empty aircraft (what does empty mean - and yes we have been over that also) will vary so best to wait for the Full Rate Production weights eh. But it is all good fun but please start a new thread for your fun or add to an existing thread about 'WEIGHT' please. Tah. Search using 'empty + weight' or whatever terms suit you to get some wild & woolly posts. What does it all mean? NATOPS/DASH One will say.

Re: F-35 Program Docs

Unread postPosted: 23 Sep 2016, 13:52
by Dragon029
zero-one wrote:Just a few things on the specifications table,


The Lockheed figures are just the threshold minimum requirements of the airframe; the SAR and DOT&E reports have the actual current performance / spec figures.

Re: F-35 Program Docs

Unread postPosted: 23 Sep 2016, 18:52
by neptune
Dragon029 wrote:
zero-one wrote:Just a few things on the specifications table,


The Lockheed figures are just the threshold minimum requirements of the airframe; the SAR and DOT&E reports have the actual current performance / spec figures.


...do you care to add those links???? please..... :)

Re: F-35 Program Docs

Unread postPosted: 23 Sep 2016, 19:02
by SpudmanWP

Re: F-35 Program Docs

Unread postPosted: 23 Sep 2016, 21:26
by spazsinbad
The only reference to 'weight' found in the Dec 2015 SAR is RCLW Required Carrier Landing Weight.

Re: F-35 Program Docs

Unread postPosted: 23 Sep 2016, 22:36
by Dragon029
neptune wrote:
Dragon029 wrote:
zero-one wrote:Just a few things on the specifications table,


The Lockheed figures are just the threshold minimum requirements of the airframe; the SAR and DOT&E reports have the actual current performance / spec figures.


...do you care to add those links???? please..... :)


The SAR mainly just covers things like range and footprint (from page 16 onwards), the 2015 DOT&E report (released earlier this year) is on the previous page of this thread.

In the DOT&E report, page 11 has the F-35A's current empty weight of 28,999lb, on page 12 it has the F-35B's current empty weight of 32,442lb, on page 13 it has an estimate of the current F-35C's weight (a weight estimate of the first LRIP 8 F-35C, based on the measured weight of all the F-35's individual components) at 34,582lb.

As Spaz mentioned, the Lockheed Fast Facts have featured these discrepant / minimum figures for ages.

Re: F-35 Program Docs

Unread postPosted: 23 Sep 2016, 22:46
by spazsinbad
And I'll repeat - until full rate production the weights will change and change again.