Israel is the first to use the F-35 in combat

Production milestones, roll-outs, test flights, service introduction and other milestones.
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Unread post04 Jun 2018, 01:42

May be partly true. The Israelis are flying F-16s and F-15s in combat missions. Not exactly stealthy to existing radars and clearly targets if the Russians are seriously intent on targeting the Israelis.

The counter would of course if the targets detect a lock, one can be sure an ARM follows.
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Unread post04 Jun 2018, 03:18

Clearly this sub-forum and this thread are about the F-35. The title of the cited article on previous page says "F-35". I personally don't give a stuff about all the TANKS, and OTHER AIRCRAFT that keep popping up on these threads. Primarily the sub-forum is about the F-35 and that was the intent of my comment. AS IF we don't all know about NON-STEALTH!
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Unread post04 Jun 2018, 03:21

spazsinbad wrote:Clearly this sub-forum and this thread are about the F-35. The title of the cited article on previous page says "F-35". I personally don't give a stuff about all the TANKS, and OTHER AIRCRAFT that keep popping up on these threads. Primarily the sub-forum is about the F-35 and that was the intent of my comment. AS IF we don't all know about NON-STEALTH!


I hear you. Just stating that when the Russians were making that comment, they probably weren't just thinking of F-35s.
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Unread post04 Jun 2018, 04:48

OK - my contention (without knowing - just a guess) is that the statement is cover FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO DETECT F-35i.
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Unread post04 Jun 2018, 06:40

spazsinbad wrote:OK - my contention (without knowing - just a guess) is that the statement is cover FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO DETECT F-35i.


Be nice. The Russian detected the F-35s thru binoculars when the F-35s were flying directly overhead and held back shooting their AK-47s which would brought the F-35 down with laughter.
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Unread post10 Jun 2018, 04:44

sunstersun wrote:http://www.jewishpress.com/news/middle-east/iran-news/khamenei-fires-air-force-chief-over-israeli-f-35-deep-penetration-of-irans-sky/2018/06/09/


Whether true, or not, it would seem the Israeli's have the Iranians chasing their own tail now. The Adir pilots are probably having a good ol' time back in the o'club bar.
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, add dollop of F-117 & gob of F-22, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well, then bake. Whaddya get? An F-35.
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Unread post10 Jun 2018, 22:50

sunstersun wrote:http://www.jewishpress.com/news/middle-east/iran-news/khamenei-fires-air-force-chief-over-israeli-f-35-deep-penetration-of-irans-sky/2018/06/09/

Thank God those press idiots don't know about Luneburg lenses yet, making it easy to spot their fud.

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the Russians gave Israel the secret code of the Russian radar in Iran

LOL! Reminds me of Airwolf.
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Unread post12 Jun 2018, 19:46

steve2267 wrote:
sunstersun wrote:http://www.jewishpress.com/news/middle-east/iran-news/khamenei-fires-air-force-chief-over-israeli-f-35-deep-penetration-of-irans-sky/2018/06/09/


Whether true, or not, it would seem the Israeli's have the Iranians chasing their own tail now. The Adir pilots are probably having a good ol' time back in the o'club bar.


When I first read the article at the beginning of the thread, I immediately thought PSYOPS. Just looking at the number of supposed Iranian locations and how far apart they were, I had to chuckle. If they were actual missions, that is pretty impressive. Also, not really all that valuable. If it is PSYOPS, well if they go looking for something that isn't there, they won't find it BUTyou may learn a lot about how they plan on looking for it.
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Unread post18 Jun 2018, 19:41

I'm looking for the thread about Israel penetrating Iranian airspace.

The timeline matches up in support of the claims that they actually have made the overflights.
Timeline fits:

December, 2016: Israeli Air Force takes delivery of its first F-35A

Same month: Iran purchases S-300 IADS from Russia

September, 2017: Iran sends air defense units to reinforce border region, worried about Israeli penetrations

September 3rd, 2017: Iran confident it can deploy Russian S-300 and home-grown Bavar-373 by March, 2018


March 29th, 2018: Israelis reported to have flown over Iran with F-35I Adir

May 29th, 2018: Tehran Times-Khomeinei fires Iranian Air Defense General and replaces him with new one

I recall all the aviation publications calling the Iranian overflights "unlikely", a "hoax", or psyops. In the context of the timeline and the recent revelation, confirmed by Tehran Times and Iranian state-sponsored media, it's either a massive psyops game between all parties involved, including the firing of the former Iranian AD General, or Israel really did overfly Iran.

Given what limited information that we know about F-35 capabilities, and the fact that existing detection systems have an extremely difficult time seeing it, I can see the Israelis getting confident in the system and collecting as much info about Iranian nuke and SAM sites, with the best available systems in their inventory to pursue their national survival.

Since they have used reconnaissance satellites in the past, like the Syrian nuke program interdiction mission of 2007, I can see a scenario where they have generated a lot of leads via satellite recon, which are then followed up on with a strategic reconnaissance VLO asset at "lower" altitudes.
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Unread post19 Jun 2018, 15:22

lrrpf52 wrote:I'm looking for the thread about Israel penetrating Iranian airspace.

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