First Marine Corps Squadron Deploys to Japan

Production milestones, roll-outs, test flights, service introduction and other milestones.
  • Author
  • Message
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 23181
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post19 Jan 2017, 08:03

Attachments
F-35Biwajuni1stLandAeroBrake.jpg
RAN FAA A4G Skyhawk 1970s: https://www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ AND https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/
Offline

ngroot0

Enthusiast

Enthusiast

  • Posts: 20
  • Joined: 25 Jun 2016, 19:02

Unread post19 Jan 2017, 19:40

Two F-35Bs that arrived on January 18, 2017:
    169168 VK-04
    169293 VK-07
Five arrived on January 19, 2017:
    169294 VK-08
    169296 VK-10
    + 3 more
If anyone knows which 3 arrived in the dark, that would be great.
Offline
User avatar

steve2267

Elite 2K

Elite 2K

  • Posts: 2154
  • Joined: 12 Jun 2016, 17:36

Unread post19 Jan 2017, 20:12

What are the green lights/stripes on the side of the F-35 shown landing in Japan two posts ahead of this one?

Are they lights, or some sort of reflective tape? Can they be "switched off?"
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
Offline

SpudmanWP

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 8388
  • Joined: 12 Oct 2006, 19:18
  • Location: California

Unread post19 Jan 2017, 20:19

Night navigation aids, aka "slime" lights used for formation flights IIRC.

Formation Lights

At some point, apparently in the late 1940s, formation lights were instituted for use at night. At least at first, these were blue lights "embedded" in the wings, sometimes only on the lower surface, along with possibly a light on the top of the fuselage. See http://tailhooktopics.blogspot.com/2013 ... ights.html

Later on, the lights became small rectangles on the side of the fuselage along with a light on each wingtip separate from the position lights. These were eventually replaced by larger and more numerous so-called "slime" lights that appeared to be yellow when not lit in daylight and a glow-stick green when lit at night.

https://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/201 ... ights.html
Last edited by SpudmanWP on 19 Jan 2017, 20:28, edited 2 times in total.
"The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 23181
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post19 Jan 2017, 20:22

These are green 'slime lights' used in formation flying [by No.2] especially when the navigation lights are OFF. The A4G used to DIM the Nav Lights and turn OFF the 'red flashing beacon' anti-collision light of the leader because it was really annoying for No.2. When A4Gs became A-4K updated KAHUs then 'slime lights' were added.

https://theaviationist.com/2012/01/25/f ... ght-video/ "used by combat plane flying in close formation"
RAN FAA A4G Skyhawk 1970s: https://www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ AND https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 23181
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post20 Jan 2017, 00:50

Some Old SLIMEY links: viewtopic.php?f=57&t=16749&p=213240&hilit=slime+Lights#p213240
&
viewtopic.php?f=57&t=16749&p=213273&hilit=slime+Lights#p213273

A TA-4K in 1998 No.2 in formation in cloud but cannot see any slime which should have been there - perhaps not switched on because the leader does not need to see them. However No.2 leaves anti-col ON whilst leader has switched it OFF.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/New-Zeal ... k/728275/L

This URL not working: http://a4-alley.x90x.net/A4-Alley/walka ... kings4.jpg KAHU SLIME LIGHTS
Attachments
TA-4KformCloud1998.jpg
KAHUslimeLights.jpg
TA-4KformCloud1998crop.jpg
RAN FAA A4G Skyhawk 1970s: https://www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ AND https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/
Offline
User avatar

Dragon029

Elite 1K

Elite 1K

  • Posts: 1349
  • Joined: 22 Dec 2014, 07:13

Unread post20 Jan 2017, 04:42

ngroot0 wrote:Two F-35Bs that arrived on January 18, 2017:
    169168 VK-04
    169293 VK-07
Five arrived on January 19, 2017:
    169294 VK-08
    169296 VK-10
    + 3 more
If anyone knows which 3 arrived in the dark, that would be great.


From Reddit (link if you want to see the photos he references):

169168 VK-04 - BuNo readable here over the Atlantic on January 9 (if you login and download the high resolution photo). We can see VK-04 arriving here on January 18.

169293 VK-07 - VK-07 arrives at MCAS Iwakuni seen here, January 18. BuNo from this database (that's why it's in italic).

169294 VK-08 - see this photo, both BuNo and Modex visable, arriving on January 19.

169296 VK-10 - see this photo, both BuNo and Modex visable, arriving on January 19.

In this photo we can see 3 more F-35B arrive. There's also a video somewhere, but no Modex or BuNos are readable in the dark.

169164 VK-00 - VK-00 seen over the Atlantic Ocean here on January 9 (again, download the high resolution photo if you can't read it.) BuNo from this database.

169166 VK-02 - BuNo readable in this video when it departs MCAS Yuma. VK-02 also seen here at JB Elmendorf–Richardson, AK on its way to Japan.

169167 VK-03 - BuNo seen here at JB Elmendorf–Richardson on January 9. 03 visable on this picture, January 14. This database entry links them together.

169169 VK-05 - 05 visable here, on its journey over the Atlantic, January 9. Database entry here for a BuNo.

169292 VK-06 - 06 is seen here at JB Elmendorf–Richardson on January 14. Database entry here for a BuNo.

Source news item stating 10 F-35B will arrive in January.
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 23181
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post22 Jan 2017, 10:36

First F-35B Fighter Jets Arrive in Japan
18 Jan 2017 Mike Yeo

"...These are the first of what will eventually be 16 VMFA-121 F-35Bs to be based at Iwakuni, with 10 aircraft scheduled to arrive this month and another six to arrive over the summer....

The Green Knights will join in regional joint exercises this year throughout the Pacific Command's area of responsibility, including the biennial exercise Northern Edge in Alaska, Forager Fury in Guam, and Exercises Ssang Yong and Max Thunder in South Korea.

The squadron will also use Exercise Northern Edge as pre-deployment training for their first operational shipboard deployment with the F-35B, with the Wasp Amphibious Ready Group as part of the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit in the fall of 2017.

The amphibious assault ship Wasp is scheduled to become part of the US 7th Fleet's forward-deployed naval forces in the fall of 2017, when it moves from Norfolk, Virginia, to Sasebo, Japan, according to an earlier release from US Pacific Fleet...."

Source: http://www.defensenews.com/articles/fir ... e-in-japan
RAN FAA A4G Skyhawk 1970s: https://www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ AND https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/
Offline

aw2007

Enthusiast

Enthusiast

  • Posts: 92
  • Joined: 30 Sep 2008, 21:06

Unread post23 Jan 2017, 16:46

Maybe a dumb question here : what really is the advantage of doing short landing such as those in the second group arriving on 1/19

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TROf_atMVEo

Vs the first 2 birds arriving on 1/18 when they did a conventional landing

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c5XGNV49Kh4

A runway is clearly available for a conventional landing
Offline

bojack_horseman

Active Member

Active Member

  • Posts: 211
  • Joined: 02 Jun 2016, 19:51
  • Location: Ireland

Unread post23 Jan 2017, 17:02

aw2007 wrote:Maybe a dumb question here : what really is the advantage of doing short landing such as those in the second group arriving on 1/19

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TROf_atMVEo

Vs the first 2 birds arriving on 1/18 when they did a conventional landing

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c5XGNV49Kh4

A runway is clearly available for a conventional landing



It might have just been to impress the attending cameras?
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 23181
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post23 Jan 2017, 17:27

What good lads they are - very impressive indeed. I like the long trail for the slow landings - here come the Marines! :shock:
RAN FAA A4G Skyhawk 1970s: https://www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ AND https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 23181
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post24 Jan 2017, 00:41

LM GM Weekly Update
19 Jan 2017 Jeff Babione

"F-35Bs in Iwakuni
The first seven of 10 F-35Bs from VMFA-121 arrived this week at MCAS Iwakuni. The last three F-35Bs are expected to arrive in the coming days. The F-35Bs originally deployed from MCAS Yuma, marking the first overseas relocation of a U.S. F-35 squadron....

...In addition to conducting flight operations, VMFA-121 will train and maintain currency in the two F-35 full-mission simulators already at Iwakuni...."

Source: https://a855196877272cb14560-2a4fa819a6 ... _19_17.pdf (0.8Mb)
RAN FAA A4G Skyhawk 1970s: https://www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ AND https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/
Offline

quicksilver

Elite 2K

Elite 2K

  • Posts: 2628
  • Joined: 16 Feb 2011, 01:30
  • Warnings: 1

Unread post24 Jan 2017, 02:10

bojack_horseman wrote:
aw2007 wrote:Maybe a dumb question here : what really is the advantage of doing short landing such as those in the second group arriving on 1/19

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TROf_atMVEo

Vs the first 2 birds arriving on 1/18 when they did a conventional landing

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c5XGNV49Kh4

A runway is clearly available for a conventional landing



It might have just been to impress the attending cameras?


Oh c'mon... how many people do you think there are at MCAS Iwakuni or the surrounding area who have ever seen an F-35B live, doing its transformer toy thing? For some, that's a pretty cool thing.

As a practical matter, they also put the flight of aircraft on the deck sooner, as it appears that reduced runway separation was in effect.
Offline

aw2007

Enthusiast

Enthusiast

  • Posts: 92
  • Joined: 30 Sep 2008, 21:06

Unread post24 Jan 2017, 14:15

quicksilver wrote:
bojack_horseman wrote:
aw2007 wrote:Maybe a dumb question here : what really is the advantage of doing short landing such as those in the second group arriving on 1/19

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TROf_atMVEo

Vs the first 2 birds arriving on 1/18 when they did a conventional landing

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c5XGNV49Kh4

A runway is clearly available for a conventional landing



It might have just been to impress the attending cameras?


Oh c'mon... how many people do you think there are at MCAS Iwakuni or the surrounding area who have ever seen an F-35B live, doing its transformer toy thing? For some, that's a pretty cool thing.

As a practical matter, they also put the flight of aircraft on the deck sooner, as it appears that reduced runway separation was in effect.


So the slow landing part of the routine training ? How often do they practice vertical landing ?
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 23181
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post24 Jan 2017, 22:02

As has been noted in a controversial (for people like BillyBobBoySweetiePie aka Sweetman) article a few years ago now,

:poke: http://www.dodbuzz.com/2011/06/07/lockh ... -vertical/ :poke:

most F-35B landings will be like those of the F-35A and F-35C. :shrug: Can't be helped. And it does these landings so well too - almost as if the vertical landing is an afterthought. But YMMV. VLs won't be practiced as much as the Harrier needed to practice VLs, because VLing the F-35B is so much easier, and then there is an excellent simulator for such shenanigans but sure - especially before going to sea - the F-35B will practice VLs under the watchful eyes of LSOs. As a general rule about 50% of training 'flights' overall will be in the FMS Full Mission Simulator - so there is that also.
RAN FAA A4G Skyhawk 1970s: https://www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ AND https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/
PreviousNext

Return to F-35 milestones

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests