Navy F-35C DT-III Testing

Production milestones, roll-outs, test flights, service introduction and other milestones.
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Unread post20 Aug 2016, 10:43

maus92 wrote:Interesting tidbit revealed by a pilot during an interview associated with DT-III:

The F-35 is a lot easier to fly and a lot more difficult to operate,” than the older F-18 Super Hornet, he said, because of the immense amount of data fusing required. Manufacturers and others hope that data load will be easier to manage with the eventual release of the newer, so-called block 3F software...."

http://www.defenseone.com/technology/20 ... re/130812/



Hmmm.. what a curious statement considering sensor fusion is intended to make life easier than harder, as attested to by countless F-35 pilots who are not shy to attach their names to their testimonies. Could be a case of an old dog having to learn new tricks and finding it more challenging? Having to unlearn stuff that has become second nature can be unsettling.
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"When a fifth-generation fighter meets a fourth-generation fighter—the [latter] dies,”
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Unread post20 Aug 2016, 10:57

popcorn wrote:
maus92 wrote:Interesting tidbit revealed by a pilot during an interview associated with DT-III:

The F-35 is a lot easier to fly and a lot more difficult to operate,” than the older F-18 Super Hornet, he said, because of the immense amount of data fusing required. Manufacturers and others hope that data load will be easier to manage with the eventual release of the newer, so-called block 3F software...."

http://www.defenseone.com/technology/20 ... re/130812/



Hmmm.. what a curious statement considering sensor fusion is intended to make life easier than harder, as attested to by countless F-35 pilots who are not shy to attach their names to their testimonies. Could be a case of an old dog having to learn new tricks and finding it more challenging? Having to unlearn stuff that has become second nature can be a unsettling.


That is a very good thought popcorn. Lt Col " Chip" Berke (USMC) struggled initially when he transitioned to the F22 from 4th generation platforms. He had to unlearn 4th generation habits and way of thinking.
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Unread post20 Aug 2016, 11:04

Speaking in general, paradigm shifts can be brutal to those who resist.

“A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.
― Max Planck
"When a fifth-generation fighter meets a fourth-generation fighter—the [latter] dies,”
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Unread post20 Aug 2016, 14:41

LM F-35 Manager Update
18 Aug 2016 Jeff Babione

"...The pilots from VFA-101, the Grim Reapers, finished all 12 pilot carrier qualifications within the first two days and didn’t experience a single bolter. This kind of performance for fleet pilots is very important as they continue to prepare the F-35C for operational environments. Having confidence in the jet is critical for the U.S. Navy, and after completing 120 arrestments with 100 percent success, I believe their confidence is at an all-time high – mine certainly is!

The test team from the Pax River ITF is also completing significant work aboard the ship. During the first two flying days the team completed 125 test points. More importantly, they eliminated 101 test point requirements due to the exceptional performance of the jet and team. They are accomplishing significant testing daily and it will make DT-III another highly successful at-sea period."

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Unread post20 Aug 2016, 16:22

Gosh the CV sure is kicking butt.
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Unread post20 Aug 2016, 18:21

popcorn wrote:
maus92 wrote:Interesting tidbit revealed by a pilot during an interview associated with DT-III:

The F-35 is a lot easier to fly and a lot more difficult to operate,” than the older F-18 Super Hornet, he said, because of the immense amount of data fusing required. Manufacturers and others hope that data load will be easier to manage with the eventual release of the newer, so-called block 3F software...."

http://www.defenseone.com/technology/20 ... re/130812/



Hmmm.. what a curious statement considering sensor fusion is intended to make life easier than harder, as attested to by countless F-35 pilots who are not shy to attach their names to their testimonies. Could be a case of an old dog having to learn new tricks and finding it more challenging? Having to unlearn stuff that has become second nature can be unsettling.


Yes indeed "curious". I would say it is therefore more an interpretive dance representation of the discussion by the author unless we can find another, reliable non-derivative reference or two to verify against. Note the first part is in quotes, the second half is not.
I filed DefenseOne under "unreliable source: verify independently" the second I became aware that it was part of the Atlantic media group, the offshoot of the magazine 'The Atlantic'. DefenseOne is kind of an incubator for another generation of 'idjiit' journalism for spewing the same stupid sh*t James Fallows has been yakking up in public, especially at the Atlantic for about 4 decades.
I'd trust the boy 'futurist' (ever notice how few 'futurists' ever actually know how to build anything much less a future?) author of this piece no farther than I could throw him.
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Unread post20 Aug 2016, 19:38

mk82 wrote:
popcorn wrote:
maus92 wrote:Interesting tidbit revealed by a pilot during an interview associated with DT-III:

The F-35 is a lot easier to fly and a lot more difficult to operate,” than the older F-18 Super Hornet, he said, because of the immense amount of data fusing required. Manufacturers and others hope that data load will be easier to manage with the eventual release of the newer, so-called block 3F software...."

http://www.defenseone.com/technology/20 ... re/130812/



Hmmm.. what a curious statement considering sensor fusion is intended to make life easier than harder, as attested to by countless F-35 pilots who are not shy to attach their names to their testimonies. Could be a case of an old dog having to learn new tricks and finding it more challenging? Having to unlearn stuff that has become second nature can be a unsettling.


That is a very good thought popcorn. Lt Col " Chip" Berke (USMC) struggled initially when he transitioned to the F22 from 4th generation platforms. He had to unlearn 4th generation habits and way of thinking.


That's exactly what I thought. Assuming the quote is valid (and it may not be), it sounded like the pilot was trying to "operate" something that is not "operated." It's operating quite well on its own. Let it come to you. I write these things off as part of the paradigm shift.

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Unread post21 Aug 2016, 02:01

AM I BORING YOU (as I finger poke your sucking chest wound) but hey Carrier Pilots are like that - ho hum de dum dumb. :mrgreen:
F-35C Pilot Certification Aboard USS George Washington, August 2016
20 Aug 2016 SldInfo.com

"2016-08-20 This video was shot by Todd Miller when he was onboard the USS George Washington on August 15, 2016. The video shows VX-23 “Salty Dogs” and VFA-101 “ Grim Reapers” pilots and crew working on carrier qualifications. The video shows 3 wires, touch and go and a great late wave off which was deck driven.

According to Miller: It was all business as planned.

Media probed for human-interest stories from the cadre of pilots on board, “What was it like, after all the simulator hours and practice landings at the airfield to actually land on the ship?

From pilots who had 50 traps with the F-35C to those who had just realized their first – they struggled to provide any other answer; “no drama, no surprise, performed as expected, very vanilla, pretty straightforward.” No news.

“Any issues moving 7 F-35Cs around the deck at once, or reliability issues?” No news.

VIDEOs: https://vimeo.com/179579085 & https://vimeo.com/179592423

Source: http://www.sldinfo.com/f-35c-pilot-cert ... gust-2016/

F-35C Certifications Aboard USS George Washington (Overview)
2- Aug 2016 Todd Miller

"...Media were hosted on the USS George Washington August 15 to observe the carrier qualifications at the onset of DT-III. All pilots embarking must perform a number of “cats” and “traps” prior to executing the specific tests involved with DT-III.

DT-III is focused on; validation of the aircraft’s flying capabilities with full inert internal and external stores (up to 4 GBU-12s and two AIM-9X on external hardpoints); handling tests with asymmetrical loads; testing for maximum weight launches at minimum power; evaluating all of these in a variety of wind and sea conditions.

As explained by Tom “Briggo” Briggs ITF (Integrated Test Force) Chief Test Engineer, there were additional minor tests to run through, such as ship borne evaluation of minor adjustments made to control laws (based on previous DT testing), and night launches to verify the Gen 3 helmet performed as desired.

Briggs made clear that the testing is to prepare the aircraft launch and recovery bulletins (ALB/ARB). These are the operating guides the Navy will utilize to determine the appropriate launch and recovery parameters for the aircraft given weights and conditions. These bulletins will ensure the aircraft can safely launch with the desired loads to complete assigned missions. Complete ALB/ARBs will enable the F-35Cs to be very combat capable as they reach IOC utilizing the Block 3F software.

DT-III is a significant milestone for the F-35C program and represents the progression towards US Navy IOC somewhere between August 2018 and Feb 2019."

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Unread post21 Aug 2016, 02:35

F-35C Aboard the USS George Washington: Video Highlights Hangar Entry
20 Aug 2016 SLDinfo George Miller

"...As Miller put it: “Though not officially part of DT-III, the Grim Reapers of VFA-101 put the state of the F-35C program in context – and made news of their own. VFA-101 represents a cadre of instructors and strike fighter tactics specialists who took this opportunity to carrier qualify so they can prepare the instructor syllabus for the F-35C.

12 VFA-101 pilots with 5 F-35Cs completed their carrier qualifications (CQs) in just over 1.5 days. That is, as Capt. James Christie of VFA-101 described, 10 landings and 2 touch and goes each – 120 cats, 120 traps and 24 touch and goes.

As U.S. Navy Commander Ryan “Flopper” Murphy, F-35 ITF Lead said: “the greatest satisfaction was to watch the fleet (VFA-101) start to utilize the aircraft. After all, that is the point of everything we are doing, all the years of work; to equip and empower the Fleet with the F-35C.” After observing VFA-101 for a few hours, it is clear the equipping and empowering are well underway.”

VIDEO: https://vimeo.com/179592990

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Unread post21 Aug 2016, 07:12

From 5 + years ago it seems we ought to remember the wonderful contributions, Maus has made over the years ...

maus92 wrote:Mr. Palmer, an ardent critic of the JSF, refers to subscription articles on his blog that flesh out recent issues with F-35. ...However, here are some issues to follow over the course of the next few months, paraphrased :

- The tail hook on the carrier variant failed all of its tests and needs a redesign, possibly negatively impacting radar signature.
...

http://elpdefensenews.blogspot.com/2011 ... -f-35.html


A blast from the past! I think they even said, It may never be able to land on a carrier.... You have to listen to these Maus posts folks.. :D :D

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Unread post21 Aug 2016, 08:39

spazsinbad wrote:


Good lord look at the computer adjustments to those flaps at 0:40.
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Unread post21 Aug 2016, 08:48

That is IDLC at work, HEAVING the aircraft UP or DOWN the glideslope almost instantaneously by pilot accounts. The throttle adjusts also. Also different pilots will have different methods if they are in 'manual' to use controls. IF it is a test pilot then there may be some difficult adjustments. IF a new F-35C deck landing instructor then this is the first time etc.

Deck Landing does not have to look - or be - a smooth process - there are a lot of variables and we know none here really - below is a demo of what IDLC will DO FOR YOU!!!!! At that 40 second mark we see a VX-23 test aircraft and we can imagine the test pilot is working hard in testing conditions, finding out what the aircraft can do with whatever adverse variables might be at that time - they test to find limits for ordinary pilots (set out in the ARB Aircraft Recovery Bulletin).

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Unread post21 Aug 2016, 13:54

IDLC and Delta Flight Path are primary features of the way the aircraft lands. It is still a manual mode in that the pilot is making corrections based on visual reference to glide slope as presented by 'the ball.' However, as Spaz suggests, the jet responds to pilot corrections to glide slope by creating or dumping lift (IDLC), almost instantaneously, and automatically adjusts power to maintain the desired aoa while doing so. DFP integrates the BRC and ship speed so the jet 'knows' where and how fast the glideslope is moving. It is not yet a 'coupled' approach.

In short, the pilot basically flies the approach with his or her right hand and eyeballs-only and the jet does the rest.
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Unread post21 Aug 2016, 15:19

maus92 wrote:Interesting tidbit revealed by a pilot during an interview associated with DT-III:

The F-35 is a lot easier to fly and a lot more difficult to operate,” than the older F-18 Super Hornet, he said, because of the immense amount of data fusing required. Manufacturers and others hope that data load will be easier to manage with the eventual release of the newer, so-called block 3F software...."

http://www.defenseone.com/technology/20 ... re/130812/



Is it bitter in here or is it just me?

Funny how maus always ignores the majority of compliments to focus on the one criticism. House wives do that
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