First F-35C for USMC Delivered Dec 2014

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 24 Dec 2014, 19:26

Second those sentiments for Jon and note that there will be four squadrons of ten USMC F-35Cs according to the Marine Aviation Plan 2015. There are no USMC FRS training squadrons however usually ten F-35Cs will be with USN FRS squadrons.

PAI = Primary Aircraft Inventory
PTAI= TRAINING?
FRS = Fleet Replacement Squadron

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 24 Dec 2014, 20:31

And for the XMAS wishes innit....

neptune · by **neptune** » 24 Dec 2014, 20:37

spazsinbad wrote:...PTAI= TRAINING?.

1995

http://doni.daps.dla.mil/Directives/050 ... 5442.8.pdf

PAI PLAN - PRIMARY AIRCRAFT INVENTORY (INVENTORY TERM)
AIRCRAFT ASSIGNED TO MEET THE PRIMARY AIRCRAFT AUTHORIZATION (P.A.A.) PAI IS THE SUM OF THE FOLLOWING.....

AC/RC PMAI - PRIMARY MISSION AIRCRAFT INVENTORY (INVENTORY TERM)
AIRCRAFT ASSIGNED TO THE PMAA

AC/RC TACTICAL -

FRS PTAI - FLEET REPLACEMENT SQUADRON PRIMARY TRAINING AIRCRAFT INVENTORY

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 24 Dec 2014, 20:41

TAH.

archeman · by **archeman** » 24 Dec 2014, 21:48

spazsinbad wrote:Why would there be any differences? F-35Cs are on CVNs.

Of course there doesn't NEED to be a difference, but that doesn't mean there ISN"T a difference....Radios, Weapons packages perhaps.

Maybe we'll see more news about F-35C Gun Pod testing?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/at ... 1389840847

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 24 Dec 2014, 22:02

I really do not understand. One can invent anything however proof is often a good thing rather than just speculation eh. All along we hear how it is ESSENTIAL (exception will be the Israeli F-35i which nevertheless will be guaranteed to work seamlessly with the bog standard F-35s - all of them) that all F-35s are the same. WHY? Because for one thing they all need to work together - especially one would imagine the US F-35 A/B/Cs. No? Yes there will be mission software differences according to region/countries using the F-35s nevertheless they will all be the same. Why imagine anything different? Beats me.

archeman · by **archeman** » 24 Dec 2014, 23:14

spazsinbad wrote:I really do not understand. One can invent anything however proof is often a good thing rather than just speculation eh. All along we hear how it is ESSENTIAL (exception will be the Israeli F-35i which nevertheless will be guaranteed to work seamlessly with the bog standard F-35s - all of them) that all F-35s are the same. WHY? Because for one thing they all need to work together - especially one would imagine the US F-35 A/B/Cs. No? Yes there will be mission software differences according to region/countries using the F-35s nevertheless they will all be the same. Why imagine anything different? Beats me.

You really do not understand -- I get that.

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 24 Dec 2014, 23:39

Well then be so kind to explain what you mean or are you just speculating without evidence - I get that.

quicksilver · by **quicksilver** » 25 Dec 2014, 14:06

neptune wrote:
archeman wrote:Is there any known differences between the Marine and Navy F-35Cs?

No.

x 2

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 27 Dec 2014, 02:26

To my knowledge this is the first time the 'changed numbers USN/USMC F-35Cs' has been in the 'press' but of course 'I know nusink' but anyway....

US Marine Corps receives first carrier variant F-35C
22 Dec 2014 Gareth Jennings, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly

"....Aircraft CF-19 will now be transferred from the Fort Worth production facility in Texas to the 33rd Fighter Wing at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida, where it will be assigned to the US Navy's (USN's) VFA-101 'Grim Reapers' for pilot training.

The USMC is acquiring a mixed fleet of short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) F-35B and CV F-35C aircraft. The current plan is for the Corps' current McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier IIs to be replaced by 353 F-35Bs, and its Boeing F/A-18 Hornets to be replaced by 67 F-35Cs....."

Source: http://www.janes.com/article/47237/us-m ... iant-f-35c

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 27 Dec 2014, 11:30

TOPGUN NAS Miramar Adversary/Aggressor Skyhawks Navy & Marine:
http://flitetime.net/tga4s.jpg
&
http://flitetime.net/mongoose.jpg [noname] MONGOOSE

Jon · by **Jon** » 28 Dec 2014, 14:34

blindpilot wrote:
Jon wrote:Thanks guys, I'm going to amend CF-19 to USMC in the serial database.

BTW Jon thanks for what you do with the DB. It is appreciated.

BP

Thanks for the kinds words, and guys who chyme'd in. It's a lot of fun.

What USMC squadrons are going to get the F-35 that currently don't have any? I'm going to add the squadrons to the database to have them ready.

quicksilver · by **quicksilver** » 28 Dec 2014, 20:10

Jon, see the link to the USMC AvPlan on the "Marine Aviation Plan 2015" thread. Page 2.3.5

XanderCrews · by **XanderCrews** » 28 Dec 2014, 20:22

I don't think there are going to be drastic differences if any between USMC and USN F-35Cs. There was not a burning desire in the USMC for F-35Cs, it was a part of a compromise reached with the navy to have USMC F-35Cs to replace the current Squadrons of Hornets that are attached to Navy Air Wings, as Bees would disrupt CVN ops. If it was up to the USMC it would be 100 percent Bees until they had to change their mind a tad.

So I think i think the "perception of difference" might be based on the idea the USMC bought F-35Cs for its own specific purpose, and that is not really the case.

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 28 Dec 2014, 20:26

F-35 JOINT STRIKE FIGHTER [Four relevant pages from the Marine Aviation Plan 2015 PDF attached]

4 x F-35C USMC Squadrons of 10 aircraft each by FY2025:

VMFA-115 at MCAS Beaufort
VMFA-122 at MCAS Beaufort
VMFA-224 at MCAS Miramar - This squadron will relocate from Beaufort to Miramar (see diagram below)
VMFA-323 at MCAS Miramar

F-35B INITIAL OPERATIONAL CAPABILITY: The F-35B IOC is defined as:
• One squadron of 10 F-35B aircraft with required spares, support equipment, tools, technical publications, and a functional Autonomic Logistic information system (ALIS V2) including enabling peripherals.

• Squadron will be manned with trained and certified personnel capable of conducting autonomous operations.

• Aircraft in a Block 2B software configuration with the requisite performance envelope, mission systems, sensors, and weapon clearances.

• Home base supporting infrastructure and facilities ready and capable of supporting and sustaining operations.

• Qualifications, certifications, and L-class amphibious carrier alterations completed to enable F-35B operations.

• Qualifications and certifications for deploying the F-35B to austere expeditionary sites.

• Ability to execute CAS; limited offensive and defensive counter-air; air interdiction; air support escort; armed reconnaissance; and limited suppression of enemy air defenses missions in concert with Marine Air Ground Task Force resources and capabilities within the performance envelope, mission systems, sensors, and weapons clearances provided by the 2B fleet release.

• Naval Aviation Enterprise (NAE), Joint Program Office (JPO) and contractor procedures, processes, and infrastructure capable of sustaining operations of the IOC squadron.

Source: https://marinecorpsconceptsandprograms. ... 20Plan.pdf (16.5Mb)