Milestone PLANK Owner First F-35C Arrest NIMITZ 03 Nov 2014

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Unread post07 Nov 2014, 06:09

The current collection of F-35C Trial 2014 Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lockheedm ... 734761507/
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Unread post07 Nov 2014, 06:59

I've been hearing that F-35C uses only Dry power to take off from the deck

One of the pictures on this site seems to confirm that
http://globalaviationreport.com/2014/11 ... eo-report/

What do you guys think?

Also, the guy who told me that said, that only the F-14D was capable of that feat among Naval Fighters before the Charlie did it 2 days ago
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Unread post07 Nov 2014, 07:11

'zero-one' thanks - that is an excellent video - one minute of sheer joy and the few extra seconds reflect that. The video was on an earlier website, where it could not be saved. However on your link just right click on the playing video to save it to your computer at the 'zero-one' URL. There are just excellent scenes in it. BZ! :mrgreen:

IF you look back through this thread you will see an explanation about the variable afterburner in the Super Hornet and the F-35C (from lessons learnt). Bear in mind this is testing with one would think starting out easy to become more difficult as the session progresses. GO HERE for the VARIABLE A/B story:

viewtopic.php?f=57&t=15767&p=200694&hilit=afterburner#p200694

By the By 'smsgtmac' that 'Don Bacon' over on comments at BreakaYourFace Defence is something else eh. Having provided a thorough easy to understand explanation of why carrier aircraft including the X-47B target no.3 wire out of four - if thus installed - at the Solomon site - deleted of course - I have not bothered since.
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Unread post07 Nov 2014, 08:12

'Wings of Gold' story from same source above has some great photos:
F-35 earns its ‘Wings of Gold’
04 Nov 2014 globalaviationreport

https://globalaviationreport.files.word ... 77-138.jpg
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Check out the MAX HEAD ROOM on this chap:
https://globalaviationreport.files.word ... 6593_n.jpg

Source: http://globalaviationreport.com/2014/11 ... eo-report/
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Unread post07 Nov 2014, 18:38

zero-one wrote:I've been hearing that F-35C uses only Dry power to take off from the deck

One of the pictures on this site seems to confirm that
http://globalaviationreport.com/2014/11 ... eo-report/

What do you guys think?

Also, the guy who told me that said, that only the F-14D was capable of that feat among Naval Fighters before the Charlie did it 2 days ago

Would make sense to me, no weapons in DT1 if read right and I would assume there prob running 1/2 and 2/3 fuel loads so its not a heavy aircraft.
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Unread post07 Nov 2014, 18:51

In case anyone is wondering what "FTCE" on the nose gear door means, it is Flight Test Control Engineer. He is the connection between Engineering, Flight Test, and the crew chief to assure every test airplane is configured to the requirements set by Engineering for every flight. Changes to any configuration go through the control engineer - external store loadings, special instrumentation, software updates, new avionics, structural mods, etc.
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Unread post07 Nov 2014, 22:57

zero-one wrote:I've been hearing that F-35C uses only Dry power to take off from the deck

One of the pictures on this site seems to confirm that
http://globalaviationreport.com/2014/11 ... eo-report/

What do you guys think?

Also, the guy who told me that said, that only the F-14D was capable of that feat among Naval Fighters before the Charlie did it 2 days ago

Actually it was more that if the F-14D lost an engine during launch, the jet would not be controllable with the remaining engine in Burner.

The SuperBug CAN also launch in MIL power, but it limits launch weight and lowers safety margins if they loose an engine. It also reduces airframe stress if they launch in MAX burner.
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Unread post07 Nov 2014, 23:07

So this story is B/S then: the rest is here: viewtopic.php?f=57&t=15767&p=200694&hilit=afterburner#p200694
"...during Super Hornet tests, engineers were forced to stop and start the trials owing to problems with keeping the JBD water supply cool, Myers says.

Available instruments were also limited in number and function during the Super Hornet JBD trials. The instruments placed on intricate scaffolding behind the JBD have roughly doubled for the F-35 work. And Myers says these sensors are more sophisticated. During F/A-18 E/F trials, the sensors could measure only temperatures and wind in a single direction, says Tony Favorito, an aerospace engineer at Lakehurst. The sensors today can “measure anything coming at them” and take pressure readings from various directions. This is optimal because air behind the jet engine is “typically turbulent,” he notes. These readings are providing data on the air temperatures as well as helping to shape a more reliable picture of how air behind the F-35 will behave during actual launch operations at sea.

Even without the more extensive data provided by today’s sensor array, Super Hornet engineers gained valuable experience during JBD trials that led to a change in how the aircraft is launched. During testing, hot air was inadvertently recirculated into the air intake of the Super Hornet, prompting a “pop stall,” or hiccup in the airflow for the propulsion system. The result was a dangerous fireball coughing from the back of the Super Hornet, says Briggs.

The design fix was the creation of a limited afterburner setting for launch. Engineers crafted software such that the engine is at 122% of military power when a pilot sets it to afterburner. By the time the jet reaches the edge of the deck, the system automatically opens the throttle to full afterburner at 150% of power without intervention by the pilot, says Briggs
...."

While the info from NATOPS Super Hornet is B/S also (see previous page only part here):
...2.1.1.1.12 ABLIM - Afterburner Limiting Function. The ABLIM function limits engine power to half afterburner with the throttles at MAX to prevent engine stalls due to exhaust gas reingestion. The system is only to be used during carrier-based operations. The function is pilot selectable with WonW. The system defaults to disabled (unboxed) after engine start. The ABLIM function is activated by selecting (boxing) the ABLIM option on the CHKLIST format with the FLAP switch in HALF or FULL. The ABLIM advisory is set to confirm that the function has been activated on both engines.

With the function activated, only half afterburner power is available with the throttles at MAX. Indicated fuel flows are reduced from 35,000 to 45,000 pph to about 25,000 pph. The function is automatically deactivated with acceleration due to a catapult launch, at 80 KCAS, or with WoffW. The ABLIM function is disabled with a FCC CH 1, 2, or 4; MC1, FADEC, or INS failure....”
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Unread post08 Nov 2014, 01:07

Great to be part of making history!!

Watch "Catching Lightning F-35C" on YouTube - Catching Lightning F-35C: http://youtu.be/BtracnUxNAI



Source: http://www.navy.mil/ah_online/ftrStory. ... 3&id=84312
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Unread post08 Nov 2014, 01:28

hookswing wrote:Great to be part of making history!!

...

Source: http://www.navy.mil/ah_online/ftrStory. ... 3&id=84312


Thanks hookswing.

Hey spaz (and archeman) here's the elevator clip with the wings up for the trip to the hangar. Whew, ... at least now we know the wings can fold on the carrier too 8) LOL

F-35C elevator.jpg
Wings folded F-35C on elevator


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Unread post08 Nov 2014, 01:32

'hookswing' thanks for that and good luck out there.

One request please: Would you be able to pass along the Bureau Numbers of both aircraft out there, CF-03 and CF-05?

After an interval CodeOne magazine online posted some USN F-35C first flights with BuNos but nothing on the earlier ones above. Usually CodeOne posts the BuNos of the F-35Bs. TIA.

AND for BP: Yep I'll get onto it.... :mrgreen: Over the page there are two photos of the aircraft CHAINED on deck with FoldedFlopDoodles.
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Unread post08 Nov 2014, 01:58

spazsinbad wrote:'hookswing' thanks for that and good luck out there.

...
AND for BP: Yep I'll get onto it.... :mrgreen: Over the page there are two photos of the aircraft CHAINED on deck with FoldedFlopDoodles.


I got it (the still pic) ... and when did you slip those others in the stack above.. I missed that edit... hard to keep up LOL

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Unread post08 Nov 2014, 02:05

:devil: YEP I'm sneaky that way. Rather than make Multi Pull quotes I ADD and sometimes SUBtract because - well... that is just me - I guess. :mrgreen: So Watch OUT! :drool: :roll: HERE I GO AGAIN..... :doh:

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Unread post08 Nov 2014, 02:56

:mrgreen: Here is a page with BuNos - so I'll be gathering nuts in may to add the bits BuNo by BuNo overtime so be warned... :devil: CF-05 and Below NOT THERE!? Homie Pagie: http://www.joebaugher.com/

Same INFO replicated here: viewtopic.php?f=63&t=26647
168057/168062 Lockheed Martin F-35B Lightning II
c/n BF-06/BF-11
168057 VM-01 delivered Jan 11, 2012 to VMFAT-501
168058 VM-02 delivered Jan 19, 2012 to VMFAT-501
168059 VM-03 delivered Jan 11, 2012 to VMFAT-501
168060 VM-04 delivered May 10, 2012 to VMFAT-501
168061 VM-05 delivered May 10, 2012 to VMFAT-501
168062 VM-06 delivered May 15, 2012 to VMFAT-501
______________________

168308/168314 Lockheed Martin F-35B Lightning II
c/n BF-12/BF-18.
168308 VM-07 for VMFAT-501
168309 VM-08 for VMFAT-501
168310 VM-09 for VMFAT-501
168311 VM-10 delivered Sep 27, 2012 to VMFAT-501
168312 VM-11 delivered Oct 19, 2012 to VMFAT-501
168313 VM-12 delivered Oct 4, 2012 to VMFAT-501
168314 VM-13 delivered Nov 6, 2012 to VMFAT-501
____________________

168717/168732 Lockheed Martin F-35B Lightning II
c/n BF-19/BF-34. VTOL version for US Marine Corps
168717 VK-15 delivered Oct 2012 to VMFAT-501
168718 VK-16 delivered Nov 16, 2012 to VMFA-121
168719 VK-01 delivered Oct 2012 to VMFA-121
168720 VK-02 delivered Dec 2012 to VMFA-121
168721 VK-03 delivered May 22, 2013 to VMFA-121
168722 VK-04 delivered Mar 2013 to VMFA-121
168723 VK-05 delivered Mar 2013 to VMFA-121
168724 VK-06 delivered May 22, 2013 to VMFA-121
168725 VK-07 delivered Mar 2013 to VMFA-121
168726 VK-08 for VMFA-121
168727 VK-09 for VMFA-121
168728 VK-10 for VMFA-121
168729 VK-11 for VMFA-121
168730 VK-12 for VMFA-121
168731 VK-13 for VMFA-121
168732 VK-14 for VMFA-121
_____________________

168733/168736 Lockheed Martin F-35C Lightning II
c/n CF-06/CF-09. Carrier-based version for US Navy
168733 NJ-101 delivered to VFA-101 Apr 24, 2013
168734 delivered to VFA-101 Apr 23, 2013
168735 delivered to VX-23 Aug 2, 2013
168736 delivered to VFA-101 Nov 7, 2013
_____________________

168839/168840 Lockheed Martin F-35B Lightning II
c/n BF-35/BF-37. VTOL version for US Marine Corps
______________________

168841/168848 Lockheed Martin F-35C Lightning II
c/n CF-10/CF-17. Carrier-based version for US Navy

Source: http://www.joebaugher.com/navy_serials/ ... ies23.html
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Unread post08 Nov 2014, 08:01

spazsinbad wrote:So this story is B/S then: the rest is here: viewtopic.php?f=57&t=15767&p=200694&hilit=afterburner#p200694
"...during Super Hornet tests, engineers were forced to stop and start the trials owing to problems with keeping the JBD water supply cool, Myers says.

Available instruments were also limited in number and function during the Super Hornet JBD trials. The instruments placed on intricate scaffolding behind the JBD have roughly doubled for the F-35 work. And Myers says these sensors are more sophisticated. During F/A-18 E/F trials, the sensors could measure only temperatures and wind in a single direction, says Tony Favorito, an aerospace engineer at Lakehurst. The sensors today can “measure anything coming at them” and take pressure readings from various directions. This is optimal because air behind the jet engine is “typically turbulent,” he notes. These readings are providing data on the air temperatures as well as helping to shape a more reliable picture of how air behind the F-35 will behave during actual launch operations at sea.

Even without the more extensive data provided by today’s sensor array, Super Hornet engineers gained valuable experience during JBD trials that led to a change in how the aircraft is launched. During testing, hot air was inadvertently recirculated into the air intake of the Super Hornet, prompting a “pop stall,” or hiccup in the airflow for the propulsion system. The result was a dangerous fireball coughing from the back of the Super Hornet, says Briggs.

The design fix was the creation of a limited afterburner setting for launch. Engineers crafted software such that the engine is at 122% of military power when a pilot sets it to afterburner. By the time the jet reaches the edge of the deck, the system automatically opens the throttle to full afterburner at 150% of power without intervention by the pilot, says Briggs
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While the info from NATOPS Super Hornet is B/S also (see previous page only part here):
...2.1.1.1.12 ABLIM - Afterburner Limiting Function. The ABLIM function limits engine power to half afterburner with the throttles at MAX to prevent engine stalls due to exhaust gas reingestion. The system is only to be used during carrier-based operations. The function is pilot selectable with WonW. The system defaults to disabled (unboxed) after engine start. The ABLIM function is activated by selecting (boxing) the ABLIM option on the CHKLIST format with the FLAP switch in HALF or FULL. The ABLIM advisory is set to confirm that the function has been activated on both engines.

With the function activated, only half afterburner power is available with the throttles at MAX. Indicated fuel flows are reduced from 35,000 to 45,000 pph to about 25,000 pph. The function is automatically deactivated with acceleration due to a catapult launch, at 80 KCAS, or with WoffW. The ABLIM function is disabled with a FCC CH 1, 2, or 4; MC1, FADEC, or INS failure....”

Negative. The quote above is largely correct.

MAX is the power setting and in a FADEC engine like the F414 doesn't actually mean maximum possible thrust. The Navy F414s are FADEC restricted for various reasons.
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