Milestone PLANK Owner First F-35C Arrest NIMITZ 03 Nov 2014

Conan · by **Conan** » 20 Nov 2014, 01:07

XanderCrews wrote:
spazsinbad wrote:Thanks 'qs' & 'pop' I'll go with the HEMO as indicated also due flight suit. That had me puzzled at the time and then I was too tired to even care. So my initial guess above has been amended. I'm writing this at 0315 my time so you know I have also just woken up (fiter pilote time).

So Forgive me IF I find this funnie:
Carrier Suitability Multi-Variate Metrics and other stuff...

"...Carrier based aircraft operations and carrier suitability have always fascinated and intrigued me, even before I spent some time at PAX River where the Naval and Marine versions of the JSF are being tested.

Trying to do “unusual and innovatively controlled” FCLPs (i.e. practice carrier landings) in the T-2C and, moreover, the TA-4J (from the back seat, mind you) gave me a healthy respect, both for those who fly ‘em and those who design ‘em – carrier based aircraft, that is; and, some insight into what is needed for an CB aircraft to not be a bolter queen, let alone be called an “outlier”.....

Last edited by Horde; 17th January 2012 at 22:57."

Source: http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthre ... ears/page3

LOL oh god

And I just got lost in key pubs. Wow. Its nice to visit just to shake my head.

Is that where all these asinine theories are born and then catch fire all over the internet? such fail. wow

You guys know 'Horde' is Peter Goon don't you? You can read more of his drivel/dribble here...

https://twitter.com/horde_

Be warned though. He's not afraid to tweet you at a thousand paces if not careful...

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 20 Nov 2014, 01:15

I like mysteries :mrgreen:

Conan.... Check this video for the people on deck doing ALL THE WORK.

The $1 Trillion Jet • F-35 Joint Strike Fighter • Aircraft Carrier Flight Deck Ops
AiirSource Published on Nov 15, 2014

"Sailors from USS Nimitz fuel and taxi the F-35C Lightning II carrier variant Joint Strike Fighter aboard the USS Nimitz (CVN 68) aircraft carrier off the coast of San Diego, November 4, 2014. The arrested landing is part of initial at-sea developmental testing expected to last two weeks. (U.S. Navy video by Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Brett Cote / RELEASED)"

popcorn · by **popcorn** » 20 Nov 2014, 02:10

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popcorn · by **popcorn** » 20 Nov 2014, 02:12

Apparently the only proven way to win Koop and Goon over is to give them a ride in the backseat... then all of sudden they start waxing poetic and begin singing praises..

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 20 Nov 2014, 02:13

Must be the MAGIC CAR (Pet? Where is?) BABY SEAL? Then they can go clubbing? Dunno.... OR is that SEAL hisself?

popcorn · by **popcorn** » 20 Nov 2014, 03:54

Not too shabby

http://breakingdefense.com/2014/11/f-35 ... ly-really/

Here’s what the other test pilot, Lt. Cmdr. Ted Dyckman, and to say about the night landings, which any carrier pilot will tell you can be very hairy: “It flew very well behind the ship. Even on the darkest night – pretty much as dark as you can get behind the boat. Two hook-down passes and two traps and that says it all right there. It’s unheard of to conduct night ops on the first det.”

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 20 Nov 2014, 04:01

For sure - good vibes to go dark. I wonder what HELMUT (Oz Parliament spelling remember?) was used. As 'Neppie' says: "Enquiring Minds WANT to KNOW". :mrgreen:

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 20 Nov 2014, 09:33

I'm not taking the F-35C success away however in different times some 50+ years ago when test circumstances were different the PHANTOM had a good day also.

F4H Carrier Suitability
15 Apr 1960 McDonnell Aircraft Report No. 7462

"...Trials at Sea, Feb 1960
Following extensive build-up landing arrestments and catapult shots at NATC Patuxent River, the F4H-1 went to sea for the first time on 15-18 February aboard the USS Independence. Cdr. Larry Flint and Lcdr. Paul Spencer together accomplished 17 arrested landings - one at a sink rate of 21.8 FPS - and 18 catapult launches. The F4H-1 displayed a highly satisfactory degree of stability and controllability in the approach, a high reserve of power for wave-offs or bolters, and relative ease in deck handling and catapulting. The day operations were carried out so smoothly that even one night catapult and arrested landing were made-an unprecedented accomplishment for a new aircraft's first trip to sea...."

Source: http://aviationarchives.net/F-4H%20Carr ... bility.pdf (5.3Mb)

sprstdlyscottsmn · by **sprstdlyscottsmn** » 20 Nov 2014, 17:53

Well, it IS the Phabulous Phantom!

XanderCrews · by **XanderCrews** » 20 Nov 2014, 18:07

sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:Well, it IS the Phabulous Phantom!

It had a really good reputation, IIRC it came in like it was "on rails" so very steady.

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 20 Nov 2014, 19:23

Heheh - the TOOM shared some hook history with the Cee (not sure if I have posted this tidbit here already, perhaps on the other thread - anyway as it is a 'topic') a redesigned hook. Quote from same PDF above.

"...Because of its relatively low approach speed and its rugged construction (which permits a high engaging speed) the F4H wind-over-deck requirement for landing is particularly low. The fleet airplanes-· #48 and up-will have greater structural strength, a new and stronger hook, and a correspondingly lower W.O.D. requirement than the early airplanes..."

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 20 Nov 2014, 20:11

Learn something new every day (or perhaps this is an exception?). I was always under impression that Hornet pilots had hand on throttle for catapulting with other hand on the grip. Maybe it is a VX-23 thing or perhaps optional? Whatever.... Pilot is going to fly the BOING! X-32 later.

ADDITION: Situation clarified elsewhere. The segment showing the pilot 'left' hand on the towel rail is really his right hand. During editing (not me) of the original video the segment has been 'mirrored'. Hope that is clear? :doh:

Otherwise the pilot left hand is on the throttle.

F-18 Hornet Carrier Approach Explained + Catapult

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 21 Nov 2014, 04:04

If youse have ever wondered what I meant by CRABS - here ya go! :mrgreen:

From InSultan....

RAF public information broadcast. Taranto night
Published on Nov 19, 2014 Jonathan Danks

"Taranto night film HMS Sultan 2014

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 22 Nov 2014, 03:39

What might have been for the RN FAA (ok chuck in some crabs perhaps) but not to be - anyhow a look at F-35C carrier landings via the sim at BAE UK a few years back when such things were on the cards - and then not.

CVF F-35C Pilot Long HUD View BAE Simulator UK

popcorn · by **popcorn** » 22 Nov 2014, 13:14

Ya think?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthomps ... -at-sea/2/

...Perhaps there is a lesson to be learned about our culture from the fact that the Navy’s very positive experience with its F-35 variant this month has gone largely unnoticed in the general media, even though every supposed problem with the plane up to this point has gotten headlines...