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RE: Re: Deja Vu F-35C "Hooks Up" at Lakehurst For

Unread postPosted: 10 Sep 2013, 05:00
by spazsinbad
From recent TAILHOOK 2013 gathering was a Q&A with the admirables with questions from the floor. One FOG (I'll guess Frackin' Old Guy as compared to an FNG Frackin' New Guy) asked about the F-35C hook 'wutsup'? I'll attempt to identify the admirables making the answers each one in turn. The one answering first and last is the convenor the AirBoss. The FOG asking the question from the floor - I have no idea. Sound file clip is from this video available here:

VIDEOS: Tailhook 2013 Symposium
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-24526.html

RE: Re: Deja Vu F-35C "Hooks Up" at Lakehurst For

Unread postPosted: 10 Sep 2013, 06:40
by Corsair1963
Long Video but a must for any supporter of Naval Aviation.

RE: Re: Deja Vu F-35C "Hooks Up" at Lakehurst For

Unread postPosted: 10 Sep 2013, 09:40
by spazsinbad
Now here is the video version at low quality 13Mb .MP4 (screenshot from original):

http://s98.photobucket.com/user/SpazSin ... q.mp4.html (13Mb)

RE: Re: Deja Vu F-35C "Hooks Up" at Lakehurst For

Unread postPosted: 10 Sep 2013, 09:52
by Corsair1963
Impressive either way...

RE: Re: Deja Vu F-35C "Hooks Up" at Lakehurst For

Unread postPosted: 18 Sep 2013, 23:44
by spazsinbad
Other report bits here: http://www.f-16.net/index.php?name=PNph ... 762#259762

F-35 costs drop as technical challenges lessen, officials say 18 Sep 2013
"...The tailhook on the Navy’s F-35C carrier variant has also been a running concern, but Lockheed is confident its new design has solved the problem. The tailhook will be tested in October and November with trap runs at Naval Air Engineering Station Lakehurst in New Jersey, with carrier tests due next summer...."

http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20 ... /309180026

Re: RE: Re: Deja Vu F-35C "Hooks Up" at Lakehurst

Unread postPosted: 20 Sep 2013, 07:29
by lookieloo
spazsinbad wrote:Other report bits here: http://www.f-16.net/index.php?name=PNph ... 762#259762

F-35 costs drop as technical challenges lessen, officials say 18 Sep 2013
"...The tailhook on the Navy’s F-35C carrier variant has also been a running concern, but Lockheed is confident its new design has solved the problem. The tailhook will be tested in October and November with trap runs at Naval Air Engineering Station Lakehurst in New Jersey, with carrier tests due next summer...."

http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20 ... /309180026
The moment of truth is almost here. I just hope the tests go really-bad or really-good, giving the USN some clear direction for a change.

RE: Re: RE: Re: Deja Vu F-35C "Hooks Up" at Lakeh

Unread postPosted: 20 Sep 2013, 08:42
by spazsinbad
IF you watch the 'TAILHOOK 2013' movie you will hear how the USN has a clear idea/'direction' already. The clip from the larger much longer movie indeed makes that point succinctly. Do I have to provide a transcript. I'm not - you can listen for yourself.

http://www.f-16.net/./modules/PNphpBB2/ ... 13_167.wma (9Mb)

RE: Re: RE: Re: Deja Vu F-35C "Hooks Up" at Lakeh

Unread postPosted: 25 Sep 2013, 23:08
by spazsinbad
This is the best quality slow motion video I have seen of an arrest - just happens to be an A4G aboard HMAS Melbourne but - there you go again....

Note how the wire is picked up when all wheels off the ground in this instance (not an inflight arrest though). Note also the brave hook runner - there in a flash....

A4G Arrest HMAS Melbourne & Hook Runner Slow Motion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL5eMoBCniY
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A4G & S-2Es are shown in slow motion being catapulted (I guess this is when a strop catcher has been newly fitted c.1970) plus slomo arrests of same. The complete FREE (with time stamp) video at 48 Mb .WMV may be downloaded here:

http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/F04987/ (order video without time stamp etc.)

Directly: http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/video/F04987.WMV (48Mb)

RE: Re: RE: Re: Deja Vu F-35C "Hooks Up" at Lakeh

Unread postPosted: 26 Sep 2013, 00:59
by count_to_10
Interesting. Is it normal for the hook to catch the wire before the wheels touch down?

RE: Re: RE: Re: Deja Vu F-35C "Hooks Up" at Lakeh

Unread postPosted: 18 Oct 2013, 18:10
by spazsinbad
Hmmm. A lot of things are normal within the parameters of a good deck landing - there are many variables within the limits of same. The hook point is always lower than anything else during a proper deck landing at Optimum Angle of Attack. Naval aircraft are designed for this setup - so the possibility as seen above is on the cards but OK if within accepted parameters. There are lots of these photos around if one looks for them. I just happened to have struck a slomo version. Meanwhile....

Navy Places $52 Million Order With General Atomics 18 Oct 2013 SDBJ Staff Report
"The U.S. Navy awarded San Diego-based General Atomics a $52 million order for advanced arresting gear equipment.

The Navy will use the equipment to test the technology. [At Lakehurst?]

The advanced arresting gear will be a departure for aircraft carriers. Fighter jets will continue to land on carrier decks as usual, catching hold of a cable. The mechanism pulling on the cable, however, will be based on an electric motor rather than the standard Mk-7 hydraulic arresting gear.

The new type of arresting gear will go on the aircraft carrier USS Gerald R. Ford, which is set to be christened in November. Shipbuilder Huntington Ingalls Industries plans to deliver the ship to the Navy in 2016.

The Naval Air Systems Command in Patuxent River, Md., placed the order for the advanced arresting gear. General Atomics will perform 65 percent of the work in San Diego."

http://www.sdbj.com/news/2013/oct/18/na ... l-atomics/

RE: Re: RE: Re: Deja Vu F-35C "Hooks Up" at Lakeh

Unread postPosted: 31 Oct 2013, 04:55
by lookieloo
Well... summer is long over and we still haven't heard anything about those hook trials. Must've gone poorly for the USN to be talking about more Superbugs. Conversely (puts on the tinfoil), they may have gone well and the admirals are keeping it mum until they can secure another batch of Superhornets. Either way, what the hell is going on?

RE: Re: RE: Re: Deja Vu F-35C "Hooks Up" at Lakeh

Unread postPosted: 31 Oct 2013, 05:00
by spazsinbad
Hmmm... patience. I would imagine reports need to be written. results verified and what not over the vast chain of command in play. What if the report appears ASAP? Will that be fast enough? :D

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Deja Vu F-35C "Hooks Up" at L

Unread postPosted: 31 Oct 2013, 05:21
by lookieloo
spazsinbad wrote:Hmmm... patience. I would imagine reports need to be written. results verified and what not over the vast chain of command in play...
That augurs bad news... as in lots of people working hard to cover their a$$es with reams of paperwork. One would have expected LM to move heaven-and-earth in order to get the videos out had everything gone smoothly.

RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Deja Vu F-35C "Hooks Up"

Unread postPosted: 31 Oct 2013, 05:32
by spazsinbad
That is weird - when earlier reports have suggested otherwise - without details. Perhaps it will be best to wait eh.

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Unread postPosted: 31 Oct 2013, 05:37
by lookieloo
spazsinbad wrote:That is weird - when earlier reports have suggested otherwise - without details. Perhaps it will be best to wait eh.
What "earlier reports"? Seriously, I'd absolutely love to be a$$backward-wrong here.