F-35 Lightning II vs Dassault Rafale

The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
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Unread post27 Jan 2020, 04:22

gta4 wrote:Did you see that? Fighting a super hornet is equivalent to fighting a ME262 in WW2 :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Heavens to murgatroyd I don't know how you got to that notion - even in jest - you make up stuff that is just silly:
"... What I want to is make sure I win. Why do I say that? If I’m going to fight against a Super Hornet, I’m going to find a tricky way to defeat him. Look at the Messerschmitt 262 back in World War Two, most of them got shot down on landing. An aircraft shot down still makes the count. If we have to face the US Navy, it’s going to be disproportionate in terms of numbers – it’s going bring entire tactics to another level...."
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Unread post27 Jan 2020, 04:49

How does it feel to get busted by a hornet with 2 fuel tanks

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Unread post02 Mar 2020, 06:10

How long is he benched, for over G'ing the frame? It costs money to inspect the frame afterwards. As well as reducing the lifetime G load hours.

https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/de ... ance-data/
Limit load factors -3.2 g / +9 g

Aircraft are over G'ed in testing.
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Unread post02 Mar 2020, 07:52

This is a demo flight at RIAT. Not a classical operational flight. However, planes and settings are identical. There is a "soft" stop at 9g. Hard one at 11.4 as far as i remember.
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Unread post02 Mar 2020, 11:10

Most aircraft have a G, AoA limiter override. Limits are normally imposed for different weight, armaments and fuel tanks. For spectators on the ground, at an airshow. They would be hard pressed to tell the difference between a clean 9 or 11G. If it was approved, it seems more of a PR exercise of some sort, to have a HUD video. I'm still scratching my head as to why. It still has the AoA stall limits.
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Unread post04 Mar 2020, 11:17

It has no real operational meaning, just fun and nice images from the pilot instagram account.
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Unread post19 Mar 2020, 19:50

100 years of fury [Five page PDF of article below]
April 2020 Bastien Otelli

"The French Navy’s oldest fighter squadron, Flottille 11F, turned 100 last year. Bastien Otelli takes the opportunity to look back at its glorious past and to examine the latest evolution of the Rafale, as the unit becomes the first to receive the F3-R standard....

...Rafale F3-R, F4… what next?
In January 2019, with Flottille 11F yet to receive its first Rafale F3-R, the French Armed Forces approved development of the follow-on F4 standard. Expected in service from 2024, the Rafale F4 will be a significant evolution, including:
- MBE2 radar optimisation for tracking of moving ground targets and very high-resolution mapping
- Link 16 Block 2 integration
- New weapons, including the future MICA NG air-to-air missile, which has miniaturised components, additional propellant and increased speed and autonomy
- Larger and higher-resolution cockpit displays, plus a helmet-mounted display system
- New tactical data link and information-sharing system between Rafales
- Communication network with high degree of protection against cyber attack
- Secure, encrypted SATCOM
- Enhanced Spectra self-protection suite plus new flares and electromagnetic jammers
- New digital engine controls and diagnostic/prognosis system allowing predictive maintenance for improved operational readiness

Once it arrives in service, the F4 should be quickly followed by a mid-life update for the Rafale in 2025. Little is known about this project, except that the Spectra will be further modernised, and the fighter’s airframe slightly modified to reduce its radar crosssection. It will also feature new transmitter/receiver antennas integrated under the aircraft’s skin.

It’s hard to say if the F4 will be the last Rafale standard, but it’s certain these optimisations will assist Dassault to realise the Système de Combat Aérien du Futur (SCAF, or Future Combat Air System) programme, which is being jointly conducted with Airbus. A maiden flight of the SCAF’s manned fighter component, the Next Generation Fighter (NGF) is scheduled for 2026. The new fighter is also expected to operate as a ‘mothership’ for autonomous combat drones. It’s an
ambitious project but, if all goes to plan, it should become operational between 2035 and 2040. A carrier-based NGF is also on the cards and it’s entirely possible that Flottille 11F will be the first French unit equipped with this version."

Source: AirForces Monthly Magazine April 2020 No.385
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Unread post20 Mar 2020, 14:00

Somehow dubious about MLU one year after the arrival of a new standard. We were told about 4.1 and 4.2 standards, the latter needing refurbishment of some older Rafales. This could clearly lead to a misunderstanding. Or maybe they are talking about the MLU contract?
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