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Re: F-35 Lightning II vs Dassault Rafale

Unread postPosted: 10 Oct 2018, 17:18
by ricnunes
Probably a little bit off topic but what castle is that? (or where is it located at?)

Re: F-35 Lightning II vs Dassault Rafale

Unread postPosted: 10 Oct 2018, 17:30
by juretrn
ricnunes wrote:Probably a little bit off topic but what castle is that? (or where is it located at?)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont-Saint-Michel
During high tide it becomes an island...

Re: F-35 Lightning II vs Dassault Rafale

Unread postPosted: 11 Oct 2018, 10:45
by ricnunes
Thanks juretrn :)

Re: F-35 Lightning II vs Dassault Rafale

Unread postPosted: 11 Oct 2018, 13:07
by hornetfinn
I would consider replacing the current visible light TV system with SWIR system as they tinker with the system anyway. SWIR would allow almost similar resolution with much superior capability in night-time and ability to see through (light) clouds, haze, smoke and rain. Of course that would increase costs quite a bit.

Re: F-35 Lightning II vs Dassault Rafale

Unread postPosted: 11 Oct 2018, 14:39
by aasm
In fact, it is already in close IR (the -)

Re: F-35 Lightning II vs Dassault Rafale

Unread postPosted: 13 Oct 2018, 22:34
by lbk000
ricnunes wrote:Probably a little bit off topic but what castle is that? (or where is it located at?)

Thats the famous abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel. Normandy, France.

Re: F-35 Lightning II vs Dassault Rafale

Unread postPosted: 14 Oct 2018, 22:21
by ricnunes
lbk000 wrote:
ricnunes wrote:Probably a little bit off topic but what castle is that? (or where is it located at?)

Thats the famous abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel. Normandy, France.


Thanks lbk000 :)

Re: F-35 Lightning II vs Dassault Rafale

Unread postPosted: 16 Oct 2018, 20:26
by charlielima223
Former Test Pilot Jon Beesley, take not what he says towards the very end...





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Re: F-35 Lightning II vs Dassault Rafale

Unread postPosted: 21 Oct 2018, 19:06
by aasm
How is it related to Rafale?

Re: F-35 Lightning II vs Dassault Rafale

Unread postPosted: 22 Oct 2018, 19:30
by aasm
Not directly linked but...

Dassault vision of 6th gen fighter to be revealed as a kit tomorrow

https://twitter.com/xaviervav/status/10 ... 6339123203

Re: F-35 Lightning II vs Dassault Rafale

Unread postPosted: 22 Oct 2018, 20:05
by SpudmanWP
Never seen a mfg "skip" a generation before. There has to be something substantially different from the previous Gen in order to claim that yours is "Next Gen". This should be interesting coming from an mfg that has no 5th gen exp.

Re: F-35 Lightning II vs Dassault Rafale

Unread postPosted: 22 Oct 2018, 20:50
by kimjongnumbaun
SpudmanWP wrote:Never seen a mfg "skip" a generation before. There has to be something substantially different from the previous Gen in order to claim that yours is "Next Gen". This should be interesting coming from an mfg that has no 5th gen exp.



I remember that this was mentioned earlier on the forum when Russia first announced the SU-57. Many posters here doubted their ability to accomplish the project due to the technical difficulties. The US had the benefit of learning from the F-117 and B2 before venturing into the development of the F-22 and F-35. Skipping straight to 6th gen without any of the lessons learned will probably go the same way of the SU-57.

Re: F-35 Lightning II vs Dassault Rafale

Unread postPosted: 22 Oct 2018, 22:17
by hythelday
kimjongnumbaun wrote:
SpudmanWP wrote:Never seen a mfg "skip" a generation before. There has to be something substantially different from the previous Gen in order to claim that yours is "Next Gen". This should be interesting coming from an mfg that has no 5th gen exp.



I remember that this was mentioned earlier on the forum when Russia first announced the SU-57. Many posters here doubted their ability to accomplish the project due to the technical difficulties. The US had the benefit of learning from the F-117 and B2 before venturing into the development of the F-22 and F-35. Skipping straight to 6th gen without any of the lessons learned will probably go the same way of the SU-57.


There is no direct link between naming something "X generation" and said something acquiring qualities of name given. What they present tomorrow will likely their take on 5th gen - 20 years late, but at least they know what works and what the market wants. Rafale, after all, turned out to be a fine aircraft. Interesting to see what they come up with - hardly anything revolutionary, but their design might have certain advantages given it's timeframe.

Re: F-35 Lightning II vs Dassault Rafale

Unread postPosted: 23 Oct 2018, 16:31
by ricnunes
aasm wrote:In those aspect, some consider 5th gen as nothing but a paramount of 4th gen, the real conceptual step being in "system of systems" straight from conception.


Here are "those same" forgetting (again and again) about Stealth and internal weapons stations (which sets apart and A LOT from the 4th gen)... :roll:

And I fully agree with hythelday, this (if it ever happens) will be France's (and Germany as well?) entry on the 5th gen. Obviously they will claim a bunch of PR BS (but since this is not from LM than this are facts and not PR, right? :roll: ) in order to try to stay relevant against the aircraft (F-35) which will at the time be in service decades ago and at the same time still likely better/more capable.

Re: F-35 Lightning II vs Dassault Rafale

Unread postPosted: 24 Oct 2018, 14:20
by swiss
Well if the Russians can directly switch from a 4 to a 6 gen, no doubt the French/German can do this also. :wink:

The Model looks really nice. But there is a long, end especially expensive way to go for first Europe 5 gen.