F-35 Versus S-300/400/HQ-9

The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
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Unread post22 Jun 2020, 22:02

Another recent incident.

I think the idea of Israel releasing photos of deployed S-300s before hostilities a year ago is extremely funny.
Its almost like taunting them.

Additionally, satellite images released by Israeli intelligence firm ImageSat Intl (ISI) in July 2019 showed the complete deployment of four Russian-made S-300 missile defense systems in Syria’s Masyaf province.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/idf ... ort-630382
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Unread post30 Jun 2020, 01:36

US could buy Turkey’s Russian-made S-400 under Senate proposal

WASHINGTON ― The U.S. would be able to buy Turkey’s Russian-made S-400 air defense system under legislation proposed in the Senate last week. The proposal is one powerful lawmaker’s attempt to alleviate the impasse between Washington and Ankara over the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

Senate Majority Whip John Thune, R-S.D., has proposed an amendment to the 2021 National Defense Authorization Act that would allow the purchase to be made using the U.S. Army’s missile procurement account. The move comes a year after the U.S. expelled NATO ally Turkey from the multinational F-35 program because it received the S-400 in a $2.5 billion deal.

However, Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Jim Risch, R-Idaho, has introduced an amendment that would take a tougher stance, mandating the Trump administration implement CAATSA sanctions on Turkey within 30 days of passage of the NDAA. Risch has been critical of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and accused him of bad faith in dealings with the U.S. over the S-400...

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/20 ... -proposal/

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Unread post30 Jun 2020, 02:13

zerion wrote:
US could buy Turkey’s Russian-made S-400 under Senate proposal

WASHINGTON ― The U.S. would be able to buy Turkey’s Russian-made S-400 air defense system under legislation proposed in the Senate last week. The proposal is one powerful lawmaker’s attempt to alleviate the impasse between Washington and Ankara over the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

Senate Majority Whip John Thune, R-S.D., has proposed an amendment to the 2021 National Defense Authorization Act that would allow the purchase to be made using the U.S. Army’s missile procurement account. The move comes a year after the U.S. expelled NATO ally Turkey from the multinational F-35 program because it received the S-400 in a $2.5 billion deal.

However, Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Jim Risch, R-Idaho, has introduced an amendment that would take a tougher stance, mandating the Trump administration implement CAATSA sanctions on Turkey within 30 days of passage of the NDAA. Risch has been critical of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and accused him of bad faith in dealings with the U.S. over the S-400...

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/20 ... -proposal/



Don't see Russia allowing Turkey to sell the S-400 to the US.... :roll:
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Unread post30 Jun 2020, 03:59

Pffft. Buy our technology back? S-400 is old water under the bridge. At least we can make it out to be a threat until the Chinese get a comparable system that is exportable, then we can make that the reason to justify NGAD and every other gold-plated future procurement program.
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Unread post01 Jul 2020, 15:15

weasel1962 wrote:Its a bit confusing. Chinese radars and Russki SAMs. So are the articles talking about the latter? In which case its Russian propaganda, not Chinese.


Plenty of both out there.

Of course, when the next large scale conflict in the ME kicks off we can expect to see the F-35/S-400 matchup at its finest. Until then, Israel will use its F-35's to knock off Russian/Chinese radars and SAM's one or two at a time. If and when they take down an entire S-400 battery and/or destroy whatever's left of Syria, the Russians, Chinese and whoever bought their IADS are goign to face a day of reckoning.

All that $ spent on something, that didn't work as advertised. Now what?

Not going to be pretty, because outside of China - there will be no stealth aircraft to lean on... until they find a better answer.
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Unread post07 Sep 2020, 16:17

The Russians Claim that the S-400 is the only system that can take out the F-35.

https://eurasiantimes.com/with-us-f-35s ... 0-systems/


However, the S-400s are uniquely designed to counter its stealth technology which masters in identifying and tracking stealth aircraft and hypersonic targets, almost nullifying the F-35’s most renowned feature.

It has been one of the reasons why Donald Trump is unable to bear the idea of his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin widely exporting it to other nations, with the US even imposed economic sanctions on countries for buying the defense systems.


I actually had to check the date of this article to make sure this wasnt written 10 years ago.
Did I miss something? I'M almost certain that both the F-22 and F-35 have been flying race track figure 8s over S-300/400 for years now. Are the Russians denial or just stupid? Surely if Israel thought that the F-35 was a failure versus the S-300 family they would stop buying them.
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Unread post07 Sep 2020, 21:37

jessmo112 wrote: Are the Russians denial or just stupid?


Neither one or the other. The answer is: propaganda.
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post08 Sep 2020, 00:43

aka product marketing. Big export market for SAMs.

Its actually good for US. Every chinese yuan spent on a useless system is one yuan less on something that works.
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Unread post19 Nov 2020, 03:17

https://breakingdefense.com/2020/11/isr ... -in-syria/

Tensions are heating up. Ibthink its only a matter of time before israel hits Iran proper..
Iran cannot be allowed tovget the bomb.


The Israelis used gliding bombs and “other weapons” to destroy eight targets from the Golan Heights to Damascus, including an Iranian military complex near Damascus International Airport, a military site which acts as a housing complex for senior Iranian officials, as a command post for Division 7 of the Syrian army and trucks which acted as launchers for advanced surface-to-air missiles

How many F-35s will we find out have bern used?
Also on topic.
Russia has to be warned seconds before the strikes.
There is odviously nothing the Russians can do even if they wanted to.
I could be reading into Israeli misinformation, but by this Time I think its a forgone conclusion that the Russian and Chinese made systems cannot stop or deter Israel.
Remember Chinese early warning radars, S-300, and S-400s are all present.
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