F-35 JSF vs Eurofighter Typhoon

The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
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Unread post12 Dec 2017, 23:17

Mas, The typhoon lost to the super hornet, BAE said the rcs of the super hornet is smaller. You then add the other super hornet model, the growler. The rhino/growler are several steps behind the F-35
All the PR blurb you want to post won't change this.
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Unread post12 Dec 2017, 23:39

Define- very low.
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Unread post12 Dec 2017, 23:41

Lost what ? One competition ? How many has it won and still winning against the Super Hornet in say the Middle East ? You still haven't given a link for that supposed BAE quote either. Typhoon has an order book full until 2023 and then Germany (and Belgium) might order some more. Super Hornet is being kept alive by the USN when it really should be buying more F-35C earlier. Sorry but I still don't believe the super hornet is stealthier with its unswept wings and exposed fans whereas every basic fighter shape BAE tested started with negative dBsm i.e. under 1 sq m.
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Unread post12 Dec 2017, 23:45

wrightwing wrote:Define- very low.


I suppose if the F-16 was considered low at the time with about 1 sq m it's probably a few factors less than that. How much is what we have been trying to ascertain with the snippets of information that are out there from the manufacturers and other sources.
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Unread post13 Dec 2017, 00:33

You can believe what you want to, just don't try and present it as fact. The evaluation put the capabilities of the typhoon behind the super hornet and all the waffle in the world won't change that. The typhoon can get a million sales, but it is still not as capable as the super hornet.
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Unread post13 Dec 2017, 00:48

Historical evaluations of older configurations. I doubt very much whether a Typhoon of 2020 P4E standard i.e. Captor-E AESA, updated DASS and Meteor, Storm Shadow, Paveway IV, Brimstone capable would lose any technical evaluations against Super Hornet. It might still lose on price though ;).
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Unread post13 Dec 2017, 00:54

again, you can believe what you want to. when it is fact, then post it as fact. The super hornet block 3 is also a pipe dream.
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Unread post13 Dec 2017, 01:15

Well, this could be what a 2025 stealthy typhoon looks like

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Unread post13 Dec 2017, 01:32

If you let the Europeans partially build it they will rename it that and buy hundreds ;).
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Unread post13 Dec 2017, 01:37

mas wrote:If you let the Europeans partially build it they will rename it that and buy hundreds ;).


Yup, that's what happened to UK who called it the "lightning" but then its not clear whether the UK is "European" nowadays.

Should ask the Italians. They might be calling it "tifone" in secret.
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Unread post13 Dec 2017, 01:46

As the recent brexit referendum showed about half the population consider themselves more European whereas the other half feel more connected to all the English speaking countries of the old British Empire e.g North America, Australia, Ireland, New Zealand, India, Nigeria etc. Hopefully our medium brexit with a Canada+ trade deal with EU will satisfy both parts and the country can reunite and move on.

Yes the UK make about 15% of each F-35 which is a sweet deal for supplying $2.5bn upfront, a lift fan, ejector seat and ECM box and buying about 140 ;).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockhee ... rocurement
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Unread post13 Dec 2017, 02:06

mas wrote:As the recent brexit referendum showed about half the population consider themselves more European whereas the other half feel more connected to all the English speaking countries of the old British Empire e.g North America, Australia, Ireland, New Zealand, India, Nigeria etc. Hopefully our medium brexit with a Canada+ trade deal with EU will satisfy both parts and the country can reunite and move on. Yes the UK make about 15% of each F-35 which is a sweet deal for supplying a lift fan, ejector seat and ECM box and buying about 140 ;).


An even sweeter deal when considering the lift fan was US-designed and developed.
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post13 Dec 2017, 02:20

Amazing how forgetful some people can be. UK is the ONLY Level One Partner: they do get something for the money:
https://www.f35.com/global/participatio ... kingdom-ip
"...United Kingdom is the sole "Level 1" partner, contributing US$2.5 billion, which was about 10% of the planned development costs under the 1995 Memorandum of Understanding that brought the UK into the project...."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_ ... _1_partner

Canada still pays dues to participate & garners benefits - complain about them!
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Unread post13 Dec 2017, 02:25

...and we have another example of how wars could start...

The reality is both parties are right. You cant integrate an engine into a fighter designed in the us without some us involvement and rolls royce has massive operations in the us. The uk does supply the lift fan so no arguments there.
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