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The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
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Unread post03 May 2017, 19:25

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mixelflick wrote:As much as I want to see the Hornet retired, I have to admit - the SH puts on an amazing demo whenever I've seen it. There was a demo (forget where) where it flew with a pretty robust air to air loadout - 6 AIM-120's and 2 9x's and you'd swear it had thrust vectoring capability.

Having said that, I'm excited to see the F-35 perform when the gloves come off..


I remember F-18F performed the pirouette with a fuel tank:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH3mWoN6mT0

Check 1:45. I was amazed that it has no thrust vectoring


Great video, thanks. As much as the SH "bugs" me I have to give credit where credit is due: It's a magnificent high alpha performer. I prefer the demo be flown with combat load, but understand why so few are in that instance. Let's just hope she's as impressive with combat load. I worry about the SH vs. XYZ scenario, because of her (real or perceived) shortcomings..

1.) Under powered
2.) Short legs
3.) "Nothing gets slower faster than a Hornet, and nothing gets faster slower than a Hornet"

I'm not sure if #3 is true. Perhaps someone who's flown it/other jets can compare...


#3: That also depends on what speed regime we are talking about.

The operational test and evaluation report of superhornet claims that at subsonic, a super hornet accelerates as fast as a Fulcrum, which is considered as the primary threat. At supersonic speed it suffers more energy loss than F18CD and the Fulcrum.

Or you can refer to the flight manual of F-18E/F. I remember it takes only one second to accelerate from 520kts to 550kts. (clean, 34000lb total flying weight)
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Unread post03 May 2017, 19:37

gta4 wrote:Or you can refer to the flight manual of F-18E/F. I remember it takes only one second to accelerate from 520kts to 550kts. (clean, 34000lb total flying weight)

Eh, a 34,000lb SHornet is Joker Fuel or worse.
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Unread post03 May 2017, 20:49

sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:
gta4 wrote:Or you can refer to the flight manual of F-18E/F. I remember it takes only one second to accelerate from 520kts to 550kts. (clean, 34000lb total flying weight)

Eh, a 34,000lb SHornet is Joker Fuel or worse.


Right, but Su-27 uses 18920 kg flying weight to calculate acceleration performance, which is also Joker fuel. I am not biased so double standard doesn't apply here.
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Unread post03 May 2017, 21:01

Hahaha, okay, fair enough.
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Unread post03 May 2017, 21:20

gta4 wrote:I am not biased so double standard doesn't apply here.

Great attitude! :applause:
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Unread post03 May 2017, 22:48

sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:
gta4 wrote:Or you can refer to the flight manual of F-18E/F. I remember it takes only one second to accelerate from 520kts to 550kts. (clean, 34000lb total flying weight)

Eh, a 34,000lb SHornet is Joker Fuel or worse.


And also devoid of any pylons, tanks, or weapons.
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gta4 wrote:Or you can refer to the flight manual of F-18E/F. I remember it takes only one second to accelerate from 520kts to 550kts. (clean, 34000lb total flying weight)

Eh, a 34,000lb SHornet is Joker Fuel or worse.


And also devoid of any pylons, tanks, or weapons.


The same for Flanker! :mrgreen:
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Unread post04 May 2017, 13:06

What plane isn't devoid of any pylons or munitions in an acceleration spec?.....
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Unread post04 May 2017, 13:25

TACMANs lay out performance numbers in a wide variety of configurations. With the exception of those that carry stuff internally, clean performance numbers are irrelevant entertainment.

No body goes to war in these airshow configurations that the interweb luuuuuvs to prattle about -- no one.
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