F-35B can out-loop a Mig-29 with a payload of 2 JDAMs

[gta4]

http://www.pilotweb.aero/news/flying_th ... _1_4730983

"I add power until the sink rate is arrested at 120kt, then Kenn says, “You can loop it from there − just go to full afterburner and pitch up”. I can scarcely believe it is possible but do as I’m told, and it works as advertised."

"The roll rate is pretty rapid, but the overwhelming characteristic is just how precise control feels around all three axes. As I’m more interested in flying than fighting in the sim, I don’t have time to examine the myriad weapons available, but can’t resist dropping a pair of 2,000 pounders on an ‘enemy building’. As with every other aspect of the F-35 (with the possible exception of the HOTAS, which clearly takes some learning) target cueing, aiming and bomb release are all perfectly straightforward. I don’t miss."

F-35B can initialize a loop at 120knots with 2 JDAMs carried. If my memory serves Mig-29 could do it at 150knots with A-A load.

There is such a limit because at the apex of a loop, the aircraft has the risk to stall because of the speed loss. This means that F-35B bleeds less energy in the initial semi-circle of the loop. Am I correct?

[sferrin]

I remember F-105s doing that all the time when they'd tangle with Mig-17s.

[gta4]

I remember F-105s doing that all the time when they'd tangle with Mig-17s.

Was that done at 120kt?

[sprstdlyscottsmn]

I think it has more to do with control and absolute pitch limits.

[outlaw162]

Now, now.....I've seen 120 knots in the F-105 a number of times.....

.....however, in all cases it was on the runway either taking off or landing.....and pretty far down the runway at that in both cases.

[vanshilar]

I'm sorry, when I saw "F-35B" and "out-loop" I immediately thought of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4ybG6wXokQ

[sferrin]

Now, now.....I've seen 120 knots in the F-105 a number of times.....

.....however, in all cases it was on the runway either taking off or landing.....and pretty far down the runway at that in both cases.

Love the F-105. (Had them at Hill AFB when I was a kid. Favorite plane growing up.) I was just poking fun at those who said of the F-35, "it's basically a modern F-105".

[mixelflick]

I'm sorry, when I saw "F-35B" and "out-loop" I immediately thought of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4ybG6wXokQ

Seems like something a Russian pilot would try in an SU-33