F-35 vs. Mig-29

mixelflick · by **mixelflick** » 03 Apr 2014, 23:43

I know it's "no contest", but given the prolific #'s of Mig-29's deployed...

Don't you think the F-35 will most likely face the Fulcrum, when it's time? Surely, given our enemies fleets and their age - it's the most statistically realistic possibility.

popcorn · by **popcorn** » 04 Apr 2014, 00:38

Who's the likeliest foe and how many MiG-29s do they have?

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 04 Apr 2014, 00:51

How many 'functional' MiGs? :devil:

mixelflick · by **mixelflick** » 05 Apr 2014, 11:59

popcorn wrote:Who's the likeliest foe and how many MiG-29s do they have?

Russia?

Call Russia's a couple hundred...

popcorn · by **popcorn** » 05 Apr 2014, 13:55

How many US legacy jets have been lost to MiGs of all flavors over the years? AFAIK, only the Foxbat has bagged a Hornet hile Fulcrum is empty-handed. IMO the MiG-29 by sheer numbers offers the best opportunity for a JSF pilot to make Ace.

lookieloo · by **lookieloo** » 06 Apr 2014, 06:41

mixelflick wrote:I know it's "no contest", but given the prolific #'s of Mig-29's deployed...

Eh... it actually looks like the F-35 will be quite a bit more "prolific" than the Fulcrum.

gtx · by **gtx** » 06 Apr 2014, 07:15

lookieloo wrote:
mixelflick wrote:I know it's "no contest", but given the prolific #'s of Mig-29's deployed...
Eh... it actually looks like the F-35 will be quite a bit more "prolific" than the Fulcrum.

That's what I thought. There have only been something like 1500 MiG-29s produced and not all are in operational service.

neurotech · by **neurotech** » 06 Apr 2014, 22:32

spazsinbad wrote:How many 'functional' MiGs?

For what its worth, well maintained MiG-29s are not as unreliable on the flightline as most people think. I was corrected a while ago by a MiG-29 exchange pilot who said something like he ground aborted once in 500 missions.

The need to overhaul older RD33 engines every 300-400 hours would limit functional capability if the operator was under UN embargo or in active combat.

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 05 Jul 2015, 02:06

Russia's MiG-29 Fighter Jets Grounded After Yet Another Crash
03 Jul 2015 The Moscow Times

"Russia grounded its fleet of more than 200 MiG-29 fighter jets on Friday after one crashed during a routine training exercise in the southern Krasnodar region, news agency Interfax reported.

The incident marks the fourth crash of a Russian military plane over the past month and the fourth loss of a MiG-29 in the past year.

“Flights of the MiG-29 are suspended until the reasons for the crash are identified,” Russian air force chief Colonel General Viktor Bondarev was quoted by Interfax as saying Friday. It is common practice to ground all airplanes of a given model after a crash to ensure other planes of the same design are safe to fly.

The MiG-29 is a Soviet-designed air superiority fighter comparable to U.S. fighter jets such as the F-15 and F-16. It is still widely used by the Russian air force, with around 200 in active service, and has been exported to almost 30 militaries worldwide.

Interfax earlier on Friday quoted an unidentified source in the Defense Ministry as saying the MiG-29 was not carrying ammunition and crashed in an uninhabited area. The pilot ejected and his life is not in danger, the source added...."

Source: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/ ... 24992.html

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 27 Jul 2016, 04:10

Mig-29 deal involved avoidable expenditure of around Rs 10 crore: CAG
26 Jul 2016 IANS

"...The report called the aircraft as being "riddled with problems" and it was accepted despite having technical discrepancies.

"The MiG-29K/KUB which is a carrier borne multi role aircraft and the mainstay of integral fleet air defence, is riddled with problems relating to airframe, RD MK-33 engine and fly-by-wire 4 system. Aircraft were being technically accepted despite having discrepancies/anomalies," the report said.

It also said that the serviceability of MiG-29K was low, ranging from 15.93 per cent to 37.63 per cent and that of MiG-29KUB ranging from 21.30 per cent to 47.14 per cent.

"The augmentation of infrastructure at Visakhapatnam is still at the Detailed Project Report stage even six years after approval (December 2009). The Full Mission Simulator was assessed to be unsuitable for Carrier Qualification (CQ) simulator training for pilots, as the visuals did not support the profile. The service life of the aircraft is 6,000 hours or 25 years (whichever is earlier) and with issues facing the MiG-29K/KUB, the operational life of the aircraft already delivered would be reduced," it said...."

Source: http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 667_1.html

weasel1962 · by **weasel1962** » 27 Jul 2016, 12:07

According to the CAG report,
- The Indian navy Mig-29Ks are supposedly an improved version to the air force version.
- 62% engine defect rate. 1 in 4 engines fail in flight
- 4% to 8% FBW serviceability.

That's before the issue of having to get parts from Ukraine to be installed dock-side.

XanderCrews · by **XanderCrews** » 27 Jul 2016, 19:06

Yikes

shrimpman · by **shrimpman** » 27 Jul 2016, 19:25

Maybe it's bad climate combined with bad maintenance? Polish MiG-29 squadrons have no issues with the plane despite some of them being quite old.

XanderCrews · by **XanderCrews** » 27 Jul 2016, 20:16

shrimpman wrote:Maybe it's bad climate combined with bad maintenance? Polish MiG-29 squadrons have no issues with the plane despite some of them being quite old.

This version is more new. new problems arise

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 27 Jul 2016, 21:40

Yep Indians Polish their MiGs with cow dung - sacred ya know.... :devil: