F-35 vs. Mig-29

The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
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Unread post09 Aug 2017, 13:16

madrat wrote:And why on earth would either the F-35 or MiG-29 be flying alone? Once you get into multiples the entire logical argument negates the tactic. Even the best IFF cannot target intermixed targets with 100% certainty. MiG-29 would certainly become dead meat from both Tor and F-35 alike. Not the most talented use of limited assets.

Exactly my point.

I just wanted to edit this into my previous post when you made your post:

7) In the post mission debriefing all agree that it was rather odd of the MiG-29 to be there on it's own. ;)
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Unread post09 Aug 2017, 13:57

In his defense the MiG-29 pilot was quoted as saying:

"Our tactics manuals were written by Australian expert Dr Copp and gave us the idea that all combat was 1 v 1 and that is what we trained to, I think the F-35 guys really cheated by using more than one aircraft you know" :D
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Unread post09 Aug 2017, 14:21

lbk000 wrote:
klearhos wrote:F-35 vs MiG-29

1) The F-35 detects the MiG-29
2) The F-35 pilot selects -120s, but the MiG is down to the weeds doing figure 8s at 320 knots, so the F-35 is way out of range.
3) The F-35 makes an approach on the MiG
4) BOOOOOOM, the F-35 explodes in a fireball. The F-35 pilot goes WTF?

The F-35 pilot ejects and parachutes down right next to the TOR M2 battery.

f-35 ignores mig-29 and knocks out tor because that is the actual mission task.
meanwhile mig-29 keeps doing figure 8s on the deck because he doesn't know where the f-35 is.

everyone moves on.


Spot on!!!!
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Unread post09 Aug 2017, 14:26

botsing wrote:
klearhos wrote:F-35 vs MiG-29

1) The F-35 detects the MiG-29
2) The F-35 pilot selects -120s, but the MiG is down to the weeds doing figure 8s at 320 knots, so the F-35 is way out of range.
3) The F-35 makes an approach on the MiG
4) BOOOOOOM, the F-35 explodes in a fireball. The F-35 pilot goes WTF?

The F-35 pilot ejects and parachutes down right next to the TOR M2 battery.

You got this totally wrong, let me show you a better version:

1) A (not the) F-35 detects the MiG-29, the MiG-29 does not know where the F-35's exactly are or how many there are.
2) Another F-35 selects AIM-120 and releases it towards the MiG-29.
3) The AIM-120 is guided passively by yet another F-35 towards the MiG-29.
4) Several seconds before the AIM-120 reaches the MiG-29, it goes active, this is the MiG-29's first warning it's targeted.
5) In the mere seconds left now, the MiG-29 tries to escape and is almost able to make a 90 degree turn before it explodes.
6) The TOR M2 in the meantime was discovered and targeted by yet another F-35 that was not seen and explodes in sympathy with the MiG-29.


Boom!!!! That MiG-29 and TOR M2 is done and dusted.

A lot of people don't realize that the F35 can be a very devious platform due to its strengths (VLO, networked senor fusion, outstanding sensors etc etc).
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Unread post09 Aug 2017, 14:27

basher54321 wrote:In his defense the MiG-29 pilot was quoted as saying:

"Our tactics manuals were written by Australian expert Dr Copp and gave us the idea that all combat was 1 v 1 and that is what we trained to, I think the F-35 guys really cheated by using more than one aircraft you know" :D


MiG-29 pilot: Damn you Carlo!!!!!! :mrgreen:
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Unread post09 Aug 2017, 14:32

basher54321 wrote:In his defense the MiG-29 pilot was quoted as saying:

"Our tactics manuals were written by Australian expert Dr Copp and gave us the idea that all combat was 1 v 1 and that is what we trained to, I think the F-35 guys really cheated by using more than one aircraft you know" :D



Lol :mrgreen:
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Unread post09 Aug 2017, 14:37

Well if you think LPI radars are only available to US forces you are dumb. The first radar with LPI characteristics was a french fire control radar built in the 70's which the french have sold here there and everywhere.

If you think the F-35 is invisible to radar at all ranges and angles you are monkeys.

And if you have still not figured out how missile range varies with height and target aspect you have no business commenting here.
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Unread post09 Aug 2017, 14:48

I can't seem to find the post where someone said the f-35 was invisible to radar at all angles, and that only the US has LPI radars. Can you point them out to me?
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Unread post09 Aug 2017, 15:03

jwc1723 wrote:Well if you think LPI radars are only available to US forces you are dumb. The first radar with LPI characteristics was a french fire control radar built in the 70's which the french have sold here there and everywhere.

If you think the F-35 is invisible to radar at all ranges and angles you are monkeys.

And if you have still not figured out how missile range varies with height and target aspect you have no business commenting here.


How is that 1970s French LPI fire control radar doing now?........ crickets crickets crickets.....oh dear

One thing is for certain, the Mig 29 is visible to radar at all ranges and angles.....ouch....that's a big difference :mrgreen:
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Unread post09 Aug 2017, 15:05

jwc1723 wrote:Well if you think LPI radars are only available to US forces you are dumb. The first radar with LPI characteristics was a french fire control radar built in the 70's which the french have sold here there and everywhere.

If you think the F-35 is invisible to radar at all ranges and angles you are monkeys.

And if you have still not figured out how missile range varies with height and target aspect you have no business commenting here.

Let me translate what you posted into a non-Youtubian language:

"I am butthurt and I think that if I shout loud enough without backing up my claims that they sure must belief me"

Creating a new account to make that comment, ridiculous... Go away troll.
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Unread post09 Aug 2017, 15:14

MiG-29 VS F-35

1) A quartet of dutch F-35s are approaching Voronez
2) The F-35s have intermittent contact with two MiG-29s doing figure 8s at 5000'' and 300 knots and are picking up intermittent radar emissions from them.
3) The F-35s carry AMRAAMs with a 50 mile range, but, the pilots, looking at their high tech displays, only have a 3-12 nm DLZ on these bogeys, but they nevertheless close in for the kill, using basher's tactics. A pair move in towards the nothern MiG and the second pair towards the southern mig, which orbits 15nm from his leader.
4) The MiGs pick up the F-35s on their IRST, they are cross locked and make normal approaches to their respective targets.
5) The F-35s fire their AMRAAMs when in range (guess what the range is), the AMRAAMs go active, the Migs release their expendable jammers, the AMRAAMs use their HOJ capability and kill all the jammers.
6) A close fight ensues and all F-35s are gunned down in seconds.
7) The F-35 pilots eject and are arrested by OMON. Turned out they were all transgender persons, so were immediately released.
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Unread post09 Aug 2017, 15:16

jwc1723 wrote:If you think the F-35 is invisible to radar at all ranges and angles you are monkeys.

And if you have still not figured out how missile range varies with height and target aspect you have no business commenting here.


interesting that you are the only one who suggested such a thing, my simian friend.
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Unread post09 Aug 2017, 15:22

jwc1723 wrote:MiG-29 VS F-35

1) A quartet of dutch F-35s are approaching Voronez
2) The F-35s have intermittent contact with two MiG-29s doing figure 8s at 5000'' and 300 knots and are picking up intermittent radar emissions from them.
3) The F-35s carry AMRAAMs with a 50 mile range, but, the pilots, looking at their high tech displays, only have a 3-12 nm DLZ on these bogeys, but they nevertheless close in for the kill, using basher's tactics. A pair move in towards the nothern MiG and the second pair towards the southern mig, which orbits 15nm from his leader.
4) The MiGs pick up the F-35s on their IRST, they are cross locked and make normal approaches to their respective targets.
5) The F-35s fire their AMRAAMs when in range (guess what the range is), the AMRAAMs go active, the Migs release their expendable jammers, the AMRAAMs use their HOJ capability and kill all the jammers.
6) A close fight ensues and all F-35s are gunned down in seconds.
7) The F-35 pilots eject and are arrested by OMON. Turned out they were all transgender persons, so were immediately released.

Might as well quote Putin himself when it comes to such wishful thinking.
>3-12 nm AMRAAM kill zone. Just LOL.
>15 mile IR detection radius by MiG-29. but even Su-35s super duper system can only pick up a "Su-30 sized" target from 30 km head on. Wishful thinking much?
>AMRAAMs go for jammers because reasons
>Assuming F-35 is easy pickings close-in. If the F-35 can tangle with F-16s then they can sure as hell tangle with MiGs.
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Unread post09 Aug 2017, 15:31

jwc1723 wrote:MiG-29 VS F-35

1) A quartet of dutch F-35s are approaching Voronez
2) The F-35s have intermittent contact with two MiG-29s doing figure 8s at 5000'' and 300 knots and are picking up intermittent radar emissions from them.
3) The F-35s carry AMRAAMs with a 50 mile range, but, the pilots, looking at their high tech displays, only have a 3-12 nm DLZ on these bogeys, but they nevertheless close in for the kill, using basher's tactics. A pair move in towards the nothern MiG and the second pair towards the southern mig, which orbits 15nm from his leader.
4) The MiGs pick up the F-35s on their IRST, they are cross locked and make normal approaches to their respective targets.
5) The F-35s fire their AMRAAMs when in range (guess what the range is), the AMRAAMs go active, the Migs release their expendable jammers, the AMRAAMs use their HOJ capability and kill all the jammers.
6) A close fight ensues and all F-35s are gunned down in seconds.
7) The F-35 pilots eject and are arrested by OMON. Turned out they were all transgender persons, so were immediately released.


I lost the few brain cells I had left reading that.
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Unread post09 Aug 2017, 15:33

jwc1723 wrote:MiG-29 VS F-35

1) A quartet of dutch F-35s are approaching Voronez
2) The F-35s have intermittent contact with two MiG-29s doing figure 8s at 5000'' and 300 knots and are picking up intermittent radar emissions from them.
3) The F-35s carry AMRAAMs with a 50 mile range, but, the pilots, looking at their high tech displays, only have a 3-12 nm DLZ on these bogeys, but they nevertheless close in for the kill, using basher's tactics. A pair move in towards the nothern MiG and the second pair towards the southern mig, which orbits 15nm from his leader.
4) The MiGs pick up the F-35s on their IRST, they are cross locked and make normal approaches to their respective targets.
5) The F-35s fire their AMRAAMs when in range (guess what the range is), the AMRAAMs go active, the Migs release their expendable jammers, the AMRAAMs use their HOJ capability and kill all the jammers.
6) A close fight ensues and all F-35s are gunned down in seconds.
7) The F-35 pilots eject and are arrested by OMON. Turned out they were all transgender persons, so were immediately released.


Can't tell if this is satire...?

I might be a little bit more impressed with MiG-29s if they ever beat F-16s or F-15s. But not that even that has ever happened. So now the F-35s which are superior to the F-16 would lose 4 vs 2 because Mig-29s have IRSTs?


A close fight ensues? Every Mig-29 faced was killed before the merge. The one that made it, flew itself into the ground 2 vs 1 against some F-15s in 1991.

The Mig-29 has an abysmal combat record and its ability to survive Aim-120s, is apparently something they are saving for "later" :devil:
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