F-35 vs. Mig-29

The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
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Unread post19 Jul 2017, 12:54

spazsinbad wrote:Here is the problem for the WEST: Beat that LM/BOING! http://aviationweek.com/defense/mig-35- ... es-1660371
"...there is something mythical, and almost magical, about Russian aerospace...." AvWEAK 18 Jul 2017 James Drew


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Unread post19 Jul 2017, 13:33

According to UAC website, among other gems, is this:

Оптико-локационная станция с инфракрасной, телевизионной и лазерной прицельной аппаратурой создана с использованием космических технологий, ранее не применявшихся в авиации.


Translation:

(forward looking) Optical system with IR, heat seeking (what's the difference BTW?) and laser sighting devices was created utilizing space technologies, never before used in aviation


At least they didn't use "quantum" instead of laser, as is the custom. This wonder plane is supposed to rival "any existing and perspective" fighters, probably because it has, wait for it... FADEC-enabled engine! Apparently a big improvement over previous world-beating Fulcrums.
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Unread post19 Jul 2017, 14:39

hythelday wrote:Translation:

(forward looking) Optical system with IR, heat seeking (what's the difference BTW?) and laser sighting devices was created utilizing space technologies, never before used in aviation



Optical system with IR could be using short wave infrared (SWR) which is basically reflected light but at longer wavelength than what humans can see. Heat seeking is using either medium or long wave infrared as they rely mostly on heat generated by the object. Similar to latest targeting pods and what Advanced EOTS is going to use.

I really wonder what those special "space technologies" are... :?
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Unread post19 Jul 2017, 15:58

Ach, Mig 29 tactics are very much like F-4 tactics.

Just follow the smoke and you"ll find it.
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Unread post19 Jul 2017, 17:44

vilters wrote:Ach, Mig 29 tactics are very much like F-4 tactics.

Just follow the smoke and you"ll find it.


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Unread post04 Aug 2017, 20:50

Indian Navy/Air Force Aircraft procurement is 'magical' as explained recently by AvWeak for Russian Aircraft in general.
Indian Navy wants Russian MiG-29K jets to be ‘ruggedized’
04 Aug 2017 Vivek Raghuvanshi

"NEW DELHI — The Indian Navy is facing acute maintenance problems with the 45 Russian-made MiG-29K aircraft, which are the sole fighters on the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya, according a senior Indian Navy official.

“We (Indian Navy) want the MiG-29K aircraft to be ruggedized to carry out operations because landing on the deck of the aircraft carrier is almost like a hard landing and the fighter aircraft needs frequent maintenance,” the Navy official said. “There are frequent structural defects due to deck landing,” the official added....

...Arun Prakash, a retired Indian Navy admiral and former service chief, was more critical of the situation: “The truth is that the Indian Navy has virtually funded the development of this aircraft (which the Russian Navy is now adopting), and if the Russians had any ethics they would ensure that every shortcoming is fixed free of cost.”... [I look forward to 'pigs flying']

...HAL is currently seeking funds from the Navy for the maintenance and overhaul of 113 engines including spares.

According to the MoD official, the government would prefer an agreement involving the Navy, Russia and HAL to undertake structural improvements for the MiG-29K fighters.

The call for improved ruggedness originates from an issue after deck landings. The MiG-29K fighter’s settings reportedly require a reset after landing on the deck of the carrier. “After every carrier landing (which is virtually like a crash), components of the aircraft crack, break or stop functioning. The aircraft, then goes to the workshop for repair/ replacement of the part, which often has to come from Russia,” Prakash said.

A report last year by India’s autonomous auditing agency, the Comptroller and Auditor General of India, said the MiG-29K was to be technically accepted despite discrepancies and anomalies. “Since induction in February 2010, 40 engines (62 percent) of twin-engine MiG-29K fighters have been withdrawn from service due to design-related defects,” according to the report...." [makes the F-35C great again but hey ruskie aircraft are 'magical']

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Unread post04 Aug 2017, 23:33

spazsinbad wrote:Here is the problem for the WEST: Beat that LM/BOING! http://aviationweek.com/defense/mig-35- ... es-1660371
"...there is something mythical, and almost magical, about Russian aerospace...." AvWEAK 18 Jul 2017 James Drew


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Unread post05 Aug 2017, 16:29

Lemme see if I understand this correctly...

The Russians delivered the Mig-29K to the Indian Navy for use on AIRCRAFT CARRIERS, and they failed to "ruggedize" them? Cracking and breaking after every landing, then needing new parts (from Russia!) does not an efficient air arm make. What on earth were they doing with their Mig-29's flying from Kustenov recently?

The same thing?? Cracking and breaking them??
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Unread post05 Aug 2017, 22:38

Bad news for the Indian Navy.
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Unread post06 Aug 2017, 17:33

mixelflick wrote:Lemme see if I understand this correctly...

The Russians delivered the Mig-29K to the Indian Navy for use on AIRCRAFT CARRIERS, and they failed to "ruggedize" them? Cracking and breaking after every landing, then needing new parts (from Russia!) does not an efficient air arm make. What on earth were they doing with their Mig-29's flying from Kustenov recently?

The same thing?? Cracking and breaking them??


They were put ashore once they reached the Med, I wonder if the Mig-29's even did 100 traps while at see, not to mention the sh*t show on the deck which resulted in the loss of a Su-33 and a Mig-29k.
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Unread post06 Aug 2017, 19:11

Yeah, what exactly happened there with the SU-33?

I recall hearing the Mig-29K ran out of fuel while waiting for clearance to land aboard the ship?
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Unread post07 Aug 2017, 23:15

:devil: Perhaps the PAK-FA will come to the rescue if INDIA buys the Navalised Version (but will it be RUGGEDISED?!) :doh:
Russia Shows Concept For New Helicopter Carrier
02 Aug 2017 Vladimir Karnazov

"...Since the PAKFA has been selected as the base to develop exportable Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) jointly with India, Moscow wants New Delhi to consider a navalized version of this jet for future carriers of the Indian navy. The latter operates the ex-Russian carrier INS Vikramaditya, and expects its indigenous aircraft carrier INS Vikrant to enter service next year. India’s third carrier is viewed as a much larger ship armed with either the Dassault Rafale-M or the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, but this might change if Moscow offers something better."

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Unread post08 Aug 2017, 01:02

Slamming the jet onto a carrier deck really does wonders in exposing hidden flaws. :devil:
"When a fifth-generation fighter meets a fourth-generation fighter—the [latter] dies,”
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Unread post08 Aug 2017, 01:55

spazsinbad wrote::devil: Perhaps the PAK-FA will come to the rescue if INDIA buys the Navalised Version (but will it be RUGGEDISED?!) :doh:
Russia Shows Concept For New Helicopter Carrier
02 Aug 2017 Vladimir Karnazov

"...Since the PAKFA has been selected as the base to develop exportable Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) jointly with India, Moscow wants New Delhi to consider a navalized version of this jet for future carriers of the Indian navy. The latter operates the ex-Russian carrier INS Vikramaditya, and expects its indigenous aircraft carrier INS Vikrant to enter service next year. India’s third carrier is viewed as a much larger ship armed with either the Dassault Rafale-M or the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, but this might change if Moscow offers something better."

Source: http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ ... er-carrier

Well, if the Indians buy this latest Russian snake oil it must be due to their snake-handling tradition and high tolerance to gettng bitten. :doh:
"When a fifth-generation fighter meets a fourth-generation fighter—the [latter] dies,”
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Unread post09 Aug 2017, 10:17

F-35 vs MiG-29

1) The F-35 detects the MiG-29
2) The F-35 pilot selects -120s, but the MiG is down to the weeds doing figure 8s at 320 knots, so the F-35 is way out of range.
3) The F-35 makes an approach on the MiG
4) BOOOOOOM, the F-35 explodes in a fireball. The F-35 pilot goes WTF?

The F-35 pilot ejects and parachutes down right next to the TOR M2 battery.
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