F-35 vs. Mig-29

The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
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Unread post29 Jul 2016, 01:40

shrimpman wrote:Maybe it's bad climate combined with bad maintenance? Polish MiG-29 squadrons have no issues with the plane despite some of them being quite old.


I don't think it's a stretch to assume that Polish maintainers are generally more competent than their Indian counterparts.
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Unread post10 Aug 2016, 16:18

The Ruskies might get around to fixing the defects because they plan to use the MiG-29K on their singleton carrier also....
Report: India's Russian-made MiG-29K Fighters Face Problems
10 Aug 2016 Vivek Raghuvanshi

"NEW DELHI — The Indian Navy's primary fighter operating from the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya faces operational deficiencies due to defects in engines, airframes and fly-by-wire systems, according to a report by India's autonomous auditor, the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG). However, Indian Navy officials say the Russian-made MiG-29K remains the best choice available.

The report said the "aircraft MiG-29K is being technically accepted despite having discrepancies and anomalies."

India ordered 45 MiG-29K aircraft and equipment worth $2.2 billion in two separate orders — in 2004 and 2010 — from Russia. It is the primary combat platform on Vikramaditya, which was acquired from Russia when it was known as the Admiral Gorshkov....

...On problems with the engine, the CAG report said: "Since induction in February 2010, 40 engines (62 percent) of twin-engined MiG-29K have been withdrawn from service/rejected due to design-related defects."

Additionally, the serviceability of the warplanes was low, ranging from 21.30 percent to 47.14 percent, according to the report.

"The roots of these problems (serviceability and defects) lie in the extremely poor quality control in the Russian military-industrial complex and dismal product support being rendered by the Russian industry to the Indian Navy for the past 25 years," Prakash said. "This is in spite of the fact that the development of the MiG-29K has been totally funded by the Indian Navy."...

...Detailing the defects of the engine on MiG-29K, the report noted that "even as the RD-33 MK engine (mounted on MiG-29K) was considered an advancement over the engine of the MiG-29K, its reliability remains questionable."

"The engine-design defects should be rectified with the utmost urgency at the Russians' cost," Prakash said. "Any respectable company, conscious of its reputation, would attend to this. But the oligarchs who control the Russian military-industrial complex are too brazen, for two reasons: (a) they know that India has not choice and (b) they are confident that Indian politicians will never turn the screw on them."... [MORE AT JUMP]

Source: http://www.defensenews.com/story/defens ... /88510782/
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Unread post10 Aug 2016, 16:28

Russian Carrier Awaits MiG-29s for Syrian Airstrikes
09 Aug 2016 Vladimir Karnozov

"The Russian navy’s only carrier, the 59,000-metric ton Admiral Kuznetsov, is being modified to enable operations of MiG-29K/KUB strike fighters against targets in Syria. The work is due to be completed within the next few months. During its first combat deployment, the carrier is likely to carry 15 fighters and a dozen Kamov helicopters. The latter may include a few Ka-52K Katran attack prototypes as well as Ka-31 airborne early warning & control rotorcraft. The deployment will last for up to three months, after which the ship will return to Russia for a major overhaul....

...Unlike the Su-33 and Su-25UTG, the MiG-29K/KUB is a truly multirole aircraft able to carry out accurate strikes using both unguided bombs and rockets, and smart munitions. It can carry laser and TV-guided Kh-29 missiles; Kh-31A and Kh-35 antiship missiles; and Kh-31P anti-radiation weapons. In addition, the MiG can carry KAB-500 series guided bombs. The VKS grouping at Khmeimim frequently uses the Kh-29 and KAB-500 weapons.

The work being carried out on the carrier is mostly to accommodate weapons and onboard systems that feed precision navigation and weapons release information to the MiG-29K/KUBs. Similar work was previously done on the INS Vikramaditya carrier (ex-Russian navy Admiral Gorshkov) which underwent refit and modernization in Russia before being handed over to the Indian navy in November 2013.

RAC MiG has already fulfilled the Russian order for 24 MiG-29K/KUBs, placed in 2012. The type is service with the naval air regiment No. 100 at Saki and Yeisk aerodromes on the Russian Black Sea coast. Russian naval pilots are yet to master carrier operations with these MiGs. However, test pilots made several flights from the ship as part of the INS Vikramaditya project....

Source: http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ ... airstrikes
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Unread post16 Jul 2017, 08:03

Jeepers - let us hope we never see an F-35 do this:

Belarus MiG-29 burst into flames during take-off 16 Jul 2017
"A Belarus MiG-29 was lost when its take-off ended in failure on Feb. 23. A footage of the incident was uploaded online recently." https://www.rt.com/viral/396434-mig29-j ... ion-video/

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Unread post16 Jul 2017, 15:07

F-35 vs Mig-29:

1- The F-35 detects the Mig-29 first with whatever means it possess
2- The F-35 shoots an AMRAAM
3- BOOOMMMMM, the Mig-29 explodes in a Fireball (I can almost hear the "great balls of fire" song from Jerry Lee Lewis in the background)
4- If the Mig-29 pilot survives he/she will say to him(her)self: WTF!!!


About numbers, things also don't look good for the Mig-29 either since there will be far more F-35s than Mig-29s, specially and like others have said, considering operational aircraft.
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Unread post16 Jul 2017, 16:19

spazsinbad wrote:Jeepers - let us hope we never see an F-35 do this:

Belarus MiG-29 burst into flames during take-off 16 Jul 2017
"A Belarus MiG-29 was lost when its take-off ended in failure on Feb. 23. A footage of the incident was uploaded online recently." https://www.rt.com/viral/396434-mig29-j ... ion-video/

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Gear collapse? What a load of crap. Pilot straight blundered retracting the gear without positive climbrate.
This is 100% pilot error.
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Unread post16 Jul 2017, 16:33

Someone on Reddit mentioned that the MiG-29 has a safety feature to not allow retraction until a certain airspeed / pitot pressure is met - due to the fairly random timing (the pilot would have to be an idiot or intoxicated to think he had a safe, positive climb rate when it starts to retract), that redditor suggested that the landing gear handle may have been placed in the up position earlier and he'd just failed to notice.

Or maybe he had some kind of hydraulic failure and the MiG-29 has no mechanical locks on the gears?
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Unread post16 Jul 2017, 17:05

Like any aircraft accident I would suggest waiting until more information/detail is known - things can be complicated.
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Unread post17 Jul 2017, 14:53

"The roots of these problems (serviceability and defects) lie in the extremely poor quality control in the Russian military-industrial complex and dismal product support being rendered by the Russian industry to the Indian Navy for the past 25 years," Prakash said. "This is in spite of the fact that the development of the MiG-29K has been totally funded by the Indian Navy."...

Ouch. Between their SU-30MKI's, the Sukhoi T-50 and now the Mig-29K, don't you think the Indians see a pattern here? For the love of God, take some of our Navy's Super Hornets and call it a day. Then you'll have a nice "strike fighter" that won't spend most of her time in the hangar, plus you'll get it out my sight that much faster, LOL.

The engine issues have been there since day 1, so why do the Indians keep going back to Russia for the majority of their combat aircraft? Doesn't make any sense to me. Even a token order of F-16's, 18's or whatever should show them the difference in quality..
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Unread post17 Jul 2017, 15:45

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Unread post18 Jul 2017, 00:22

mixelflick wrote:"The roots of these problems (serviceability and defects) lie in the extremely poor quality control in the Russian military-industrial complex and dismal product support being rendered by the Russian industry to the Indian Navy for the past 25 years," Prakash said. "This is in spite of the fact that the development of the MiG-29K has been totally funded by the Indian Navy."...

Ouch. Between their SU-30MKI's, the Sukhoi T-50 and now the Mig-29K, don't you think the Indians see a pattern here? For the love of God, take some of our Navy's Super Hornets and call it a day. Then you'll have a nice "strike fighter" that won't spend most of her time in the hangar, plus you'll get it out my sight that much faster, LOL.

The engine issues have been there since day 1, so why do the Indians keep going back to Russia for the majority of their combat aircraft? Doesn't make any sense to me. Even a token order of F-16's, 18's or whatever should show them the difference in quality..



Because let's admit it, SUs and MiG are charmingly cheap with amazing capabilities for the price.
Then you find out that they're cheap for a reason and plasma stealth isn't real.
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Unread post18 Jul 2017, 03:02

Title of the thread could be alternatively called, "Semi-truck vs. puppy".
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Unread post18 Jul 2017, 23:53

nutshell wrote:Because let's admit it, SUs and MiG are charmingly cheap with amazing capabilities for the price.
Then you find out that they're cheap for a reason and plasma stealth isn't real.


That's it. In a nutshell.

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What country is that? Looks like old pre-2006 Serbian insignia. When did this happen?
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Unread post19 Jul 2017, 01:10

Click on video to start here then click on the Ubend Icon to go there - I don't speak whatever but 2007?

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Unread post19 Jul 2017, 05:24

Here is the problem for the WEST: Beat that LM/BOING! http://aviationweek.com/defense/mig-35- ... es-1660371
"...there is something mythical, and almost magical, about Russian aerospace...." AvWEAK 18 Jul 2017 James Drew
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