F-35 and X-47B

The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
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Unread post04 Feb 2020, 17:54

This tweet from Steve Trimble is neither about F-35 nor Stingray but quite interesting nonerheless:

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheDEWLine/s ... 7479322624

I like the fact that nowadays militaries can still keep things under wrap, like this unmanned Growlers or Israeli Pereh tank.
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Unread post04 Feb 2020, 19:51

hythelday wrote:This tweet from Steve Trimble is neither about F-35 nor Stingray but quite interesting nonerheless:

<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">https://mobile.twitter.com/TheDEWLine/status/1224728667479322624</span>

I like the fact that nowadays militaries can still keep things under wrap, like this unmanned Growlers or Israeli Pereh tank.


..and just about completely kills the justification for the MQ-25. There's probably nothing preventing you from
refueling from a 5-wet or 3-wet + CFT drone Super Bug. And it'll be a good deal cheaper than
developing and carrier qualifying a new aircraft.
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Unread post04 Feb 2020, 20:57

HUH? The point of STINGRAY is to reduce/minimise/stop using Shornets as tankers so these 'tanker SuperHornets' can return to their main role and reduce also wear and tear on the remaining Super Hornets. Eventually it seems StungRaid will be developed further most likely - or son of said ray - etc.
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Unread post04 Feb 2020, 22:35

Pax River is at it agin!, seems they are planning to add fuel volume to the "Sea" to increase "on station" time while controlling drone Growlers. more at the link
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Unread post04 Feb 2020, 23:51

News earlier posted by 'hythelday' : viewtopic.php?f=55&t=20468&p=434207&hilit=trimble#p434207

And I replicated that 'twittering' here: viewtopic.php?f=58&t=23043&p=434209&hilit=becuz#p434209

One of the URLs above gave me a virus warning BOGUS but I had to close Internet Explorer 11 to be able to use it again.
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Unread post05 Feb 2020, 05:00

spazsinbad wrote:HUH? The point of STINGRAY is to reduce/minimise/stop using Shornets as tankers so these 'tanker SuperHornets' can return to their main role and reduce also wear and tear on the remaining Super Hornets. Eventually it seems StungRaid will be developed further most likely - or son of said ray - etc.



The UCAV/UCAS/UCLASS/CBARS/MQ-25 stuff is all due to the Navy being under pressure to do
something with unmanned on the CVNs.

If you go back to the original JROC justification for MQ-25 it was less about reducing the burden
on the Super Bugs and more to do with the fact that the Navy didn't think they'd be getting any new
build Super Bugs after 2015 and that the Block I's would start retiring in the 2020s.

The former is no longer true and the Navy can now claim that they have gone the unmanned route.
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Unread post05 Feb 2020, 06:37

marauder2048 wrote:
spazsinbad wrote:HUH? The point of STINGRAY is to reduce/minimise/stop using Shornets as tankers so these 'tanker SuperHornets' can return to their main role and reduce also wear and tear on the remaining Super Hornets. Eventually it seems StungRaid will be developed further most likely - or son of said ray - etc.



The UCAV/UCAS/UCLASS/CBARS/MQ-25 stuff is all due to the Navy being under pressure to do
something with unmanned on the CVNs.

If you go back to the original JROC justification for MQ-25 it was less about reducing the burden
on the Super Bugs and more to do with the fact that the Navy didn't think they'd be getting any new
build Super Bugs after 2015 and that the Block I's would start retiring in the 2020s.

The former is no longer true and the Navy can now claim that they have gone the unmanned route.

The goal was also to stop using SHs as tankers, as it not only wore them out faster, but cut into the combat punch, as aircraft were being used as tankers instead of strikers, fleet defense, etc.... The CPFH on the MQ-25 will be a fraction as well, which frees up funds elsewhere.
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Unread post05 Feb 2020, 06:58

marauder2048 wrote:
hythelday wrote:This tweet from Steve Trimble is neither about F-35 nor Stingray but quite interesting nonerheless:

<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">https://mobile.twitter.com/TheDEWLine/status/1224728667479322624</span>

I like the fact that nowadays militaries can still keep things under wrap, like this unmanned Growlers or Israeli Pereh tank.


..and just about completely kills the justification for the MQ-25. There's probably nothing preventing you from
refueling from a 5-wet or 3-wet + CFT drone Super Bug. And it'll be a good deal cheaper than
developing and carrier qualifying a new aircraft.



hmm, you may have a point??? Why not just upgrade older Super Hornets to Tanker/Drones. While, buying more F-35C's.....
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Unread post05 Feb 2020, 07:49

Was not there a point to 'clean sheet design' with something in the future in mind? Yes a tanker with future possibilities. Shornet Drones are so out of luck with that and probably out of time airframewise. USN needs all the manned aircraft +.
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Unread post28 Mar 2020, 11:26

Boeing stays focused on basics to keep unmanned tanker on track [long article best read at source]
28 Mar 2020 Garrett Reim

"By keeping its eye on two goals - refuelling fighters and operating from a carrier - the MQ-25A Stingray development team expects its unmanned air vehicle (UAV) to achieve initial operational capability (IOC) by 2024; other functions can come later.

The Boeing MQ-25A Stingray in-flight refuelling tanker is on track to achieve initial operational capability (IOC) by 2024. That is thanks to a narrow set of development goals, close integration with Naval Air Systems Command personnel and the early test use of a flyable prototype, says Boeing.

The manufacturer adds that the core of its MQ-25A development strategy is waving off distractions in order to deliver on just two goals: building an aircraft that can fly from an aircraft carrier deck and can refuel fighters. “If we focus on what’s in front of us and do it well, we are sure it opens doors,” says Dave Bujold, director of the MQ-25A programme. “If we don’t focus on what is in front of us and don’t do it well, we are sure it closes doors.”...

...In June 2019, the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency announced its intention to award a sole-source contract to Boeing Phantom Works to study the capabilities of the company’s Multi-Mission Pod on the MQ-25A. Bujold reiterates the USN focus is on aerial refuelling, but points out the aircraft has some limited ISR capabilities now.

“It’s not doing anything crazy or exotic that would capture anybody’s imagination,” he says. “But it certainly is going out of line-of-sight communications with the carrier. So therefore it’s an interesting player in the carrier air wing for potential ISR use.”

Boeing is under contract to produce four engineering, manufacturing and development (EMD) MQ-25A tankers for the USN under an $805 million contract awarded in 2018. The service wants the MQ-25A to achieve IOC by sooner than 2024 if the results of flight testing allow. Boeing plans to start delivering EMD aircraft in 2021.

The USN will decide how many examples of the MQ-25A to buy after IOC. The Congressional Budget Office projects the service could buy as many as 75 aircraft....

...The team is also performing flight tests on a Boeing-owned MQ-25A prototype, called the T-1. The T-1 has amassed near 30 flight hours since its maiden sortie in September 2019.

The T-1 is a “high-fidelity” prototype, with a design that closely represents the aeronautical performance and software code of the forthcoming EMD aircraft. That closeness has allowed the manufacturer to get an early start on testing that is usually reserved for later aircraft examples.

“By the time you start that classic developmental flight test, we’ll already have retired some test points having used our T-1 asset,” says Bujold. “A good example is later this year when we put the air refuelling store on T-1. We’ll be exercising all the software it takes to control that store from the control station. And of course, that reduces all of the risk and increases our knowledge as we go.”

Because air refuelling store testing was originally planned to be done later on the EMD aircraft, Boeing plans to beef up the left wing of T-1 to hold the fuel pod. Tests will look at deploying and retracting the hose-and-drogue system, watching how it behaves in the air stream.

In 2020, the Boeing-USN team also aims to install the Raytheon Joint Precision Approach and Landing System (JPALS), which will automatically guide the MQ-25A to the deck of an aircraft carrier.

As part of a separate initiative, manufacturer Raytheon is demonstrating an expeditionary JPALS variant that could one day guide the MQ-25A onto remote island landing strips, a capability that could allow the UAV to set up forward aerial refuelling points for fighter aircraft of the USN, as well as the US Marine Corps and US Air Force. Bujold declines to comment on the potential of the MQ-25A in expeditionary warfare, noting that the focus on carrier operations is the priority…."

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Unread post03 Apr 2020, 05:29

US Navy awards Boeing $84.7m for three more MQ-25A unmanned refuelling tankers
03 Apr 2020 Garrett Reim

"The US Navy (USN) has awarded Boeing $84.7 million for three additional MQ-25A Stingray unmanned in-flight refuelling tankers. The unmanned air vehicles (UAV) are expected to be complete by August 2024, says the Department of Defense in a notice online on 2 April.

The three additional “demonstration test articles” bring the total number of aircraft Boeing is manufacturing in the MQ-25A programme to seven. The award was an option on the original four-aircraft contract, worth $805 million, which was awarded to Boeing in August 2018....

...Flight testing is paused on the MQ-25A at the moment as Boeing installs an aerial refueling store under the left wing of the T1 UAV. The company is doing tests on its own aircraft in order to gather data faster and prepare the aircraft to move quickly towards production. It has said it plans to start delivering engineering, manufacturing and development examples of the aircraft to the USN in 2021."

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Unread post04 Jun 2020, 10:25

STINGRAY A Carrier Aviation Revolution [8 page PDF of article attached]
Jul 2020 Mark Ayton

"The US Navy’s nascent MQ-25 Stingray unmanned aerial vehicle promises to be one of the biggest ever evolutions in carrier aviation....

...CONTROLLING THE STINGRAY
The Unmanned Carrier Aviation Mission Control System (UMCS) is built around an MD-5 A/B control station, which includes open-architecture software, being developed by program management office PMA-268.

A team demonstrated the first build of the UMCS using representative shipboard equipment and a simulated air vehicle at Patuxent River on April 11, 2017. During the demonstration, the UMCS communicated with a surface mobile aviation interoperability laboratory truck, which simulated an air vehicle. Limited control and data dissemination between the UMCS and simulated air vehicle included automatic identification system detection, EO/IR camera operation, and full-motion video. Pre-planned and dynamic mission replanning was also performed.

Using a mouse and keyboard, the single air vehicle officer (AVO) tells the MQ-25 where it needs to go and what it is required to do. The system itself determines how to get there in the most safe and efficient way. Typical operation involves the AVO maintaining positive control, including the ability to change speed, direction and altitude. Flight control software is designed to handle unexpected events such as bad weather or when a change of altitude or position of its tanking pattern is required. The AVO works from the MD-5 control station in the carrier’s Unmanned Carrier Aviation Warfare Center throughout all stages of the mission from the launch to recovery.

Non-flying phases see a deck-handling operator using a different control device to taxi the Stingray around. Once the air vehicle is on the catapult, it is handed over to the AVO. This is a similar method to what was pioneered by Northrop Grumman during its work with the X-47B demonstrator. During aerial refueling, the AVO will have the ability to communicate with the receiver aircraft pilot."

Source: COMBAT AIRCRAFT Journal July 2020 Volume 21 No 7
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Unread post11 Jun 2020, 06:58

If the US Navy isn’t careful, its new unmanned tanker drone could face a 3-year delay [best read at URL]
10 Jun 2020 David B. Larter

"WASHINGTON — The US Navy could face a three-year delay in testing of the MQ-25 Stingray carrier-based tanking drone if it doesn’t get its designated test ships through the required modernizations on time, a possibility the Navy said was “remote.” Two carriers — Carl Vinson and George H.W. Bush — have limited windows to complete the installation of unmanned aircraft control stations, and if operational commitments intervene it could create significant issues for the program, according to Navy officials and a government watchdog report.

“Program officials stated that, among other things, the Navy’s potential inability to maintain its schedule commitments could require modifications to the contract that would impact the fixed-price terms,” the Government Accountability Office reported. “Specifically, the Navy faces limited flexibility to install MQ-25 control centers on aircraft carriers. “If the Navy misses any of its planned installation windows, the program would have to extend MQ-25 development testing by up to 3 years. According to officials, such a delay could necessitate a delay to initial capability and result in a cost increase.”...

...Jamie Cosgrove, a spokesperson for Naval Air Systems Command [said]. “The Navy is still planning to achieve [initial operating capability] in 2024,” Cosgrove said. “A three-year extension of development testing and a delay to IOC is extremely unlikely and represents improbable scenarios where both aircraft carriers currently designated to support MQ-25 testing are unavailable due to operational requirements, or the program misses the planned periods to install the MQ-25 test equipment on those two carriers....

...Ultimately the Navy plans to buy 69 additional aircraft as part of the its full production run, according to the GAO report. The Navy’s former air boss Vice Adm. Mike Shoemaker told USNI Proceedings in a 2017 interview that the MQ-25 would extend the carrier air wing’s range by up to 400 miles...." [BEST READ IT ALL AT SOURCE]

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Unread post12 Jun 2020, 15:54

If they keep this up, they'll be giving the KC-46 a run for its money LOL
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Unread post24 Jul 2020, 06:28

Similar DEFnews article here with the addition of the recent '3 year delay' story above: https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2020/ ... ker-drone/
MQ-25 Test Asset Gets an Aerial Refueling Store in Prep for More Flight Testing
23 Jul 2020 Richard R. Burgess

"St. LOUIS — Boeing is preparing its MQ-25 T1 unmanned aerial refueling test asset to return to flight test later this year, this time with a U.S. Navy aerial refueling store, the company said in a July 23 email. The store was recently integrated onto a purpose-built pylon under the wing of T1 during a planned modification. It is the same store currently carried by F/A-18 fighter jets that perform aerial refueling off aircraft carriers. MQ-25 will relieve F/A-18s of carrier-based aerial refueling, freeing up those assets to perform other missions....

...When T1 returns to flight with the aerial refueling store, it will be under the control of Boeing air vehicle operators and monitored by a team of flight test engineers, including those from the Navy. That team first will be looking at the aerodynamic effects of the store at various points of the flight envelope and later will be monitoring the hose and drogue’s behavior in the wake of the MQ-25 airframe."

Photo: "MQ-25 T1 aerial refueling store is installed at the AVMATS Hangar, in Mascoutah, Illinois. THE BOEING CO." https://seapowermagazine.org/wp-content ... 24x668.jpg


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