F-35 and X-47B

The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
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Unread post04 Feb 2020, 17:54

This tweet from Steve Trimble is neither about F-35 nor Stingray but quite interesting nonerheless:

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheDEWLine/s ... 7479322624

I like the fact that nowadays militaries can still keep things under wrap, like this unmanned Growlers or Israeli Pereh tank.
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Unread post04 Feb 2020, 19:51

hythelday wrote:This tweet from Steve Trimble is neither about F-35 nor Stingray but quite interesting nonerheless:

<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">https://mobile.twitter.com/TheDEWLine/status/1224728667479322624</span>

I like the fact that nowadays militaries can still keep things under wrap, like this unmanned Growlers or Israeli Pereh tank.


..and just about completely kills the justification for the MQ-25. There's probably nothing preventing you from
refueling from a 5-wet or 3-wet + CFT drone Super Bug. And it'll be a good deal cheaper than
developing and carrier qualifying a new aircraft.
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Unread post04 Feb 2020, 20:57

HUH? The point of STINGRAY is to reduce/minimise/stop using Shornets as tankers so these 'tanker SuperHornets' can return to their main role and reduce also wear and tear on the remaining Super Hornets. Eventually it seems StungRaid will be developed further most likely - or son of said ray - etc.
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Unread post04 Feb 2020, 22:35

Pax River is at it agin!, seems they are planning to add fuel volume to the "Sea" to increase "on station" time while controlling drone Growlers. more at the link
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http://www.c4isrnet.com/naval/2020/02/0 ... anned-jet/

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Unread post04 Feb 2020, 23:51

News earlier posted by 'hythelday' : viewtopic.php?f=55&t=20468&p=434207&hilit=trimble#p434207

And I replicated that 'twittering' here: viewtopic.php?f=58&t=23043&p=434209&hilit=becuz#p434209

One of the URLs above gave me a virus warning BOGUS but I had to close Internet Explorer 11 to be able to use it again.
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Unread post05 Feb 2020, 05:00

spazsinbad wrote:HUH? The point of STINGRAY is to reduce/minimise/stop using Shornets as tankers so these 'tanker SuperHornets' can return to their main role and reduce also wear and tear on the remaining Super Hornets. Eventually it seems StungRaid will be developed further most likely - or son of said ray - etc.



The UCAV/UCAS/UCLASS/CBARS/MQ-25 stuff is all due to the Navy being under pressure to do
something with unmanned on the CVNs.

If you go back to the original JROC justification for MQ-25 it was less about reducing the burden
on the Super Bugs and more to do with the fact that the Navy didn't think they'd be getting any new
build Super Bugs after 2015 and that the Block I's would start retiring in the 2020s.

The former is no longer true and the Navy can now claim that they have gone the unmanned route.
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Unread post05 Feb 2020, 06:37

marauder2048 wrote:
spazsinbad wrote:HUH? The point of STINGRAY is to reduce/minimise/stop using Shornets as tankers so these 'tanker SuperHornets' can return to their main role and reduce also wear and tear on the remaining Super Hornets. Eventually it seems StungRaid will be developed further most likely - or son of said ray - etc.



The UCAV/UCAS/UCLASS/CBARS/MQ-25 stuff is all due to the Navy being under pressure to do
something with unmanned on the CVNs.

If you go back to the original JROC justification for MQ-25 it was less about reducing the burden
on the Super Bugs and more to do with the fact that the Navy didn't think they'd be getting any new
build Super Bugs after 2015 and that the Block I's would start retiring in the 2020s.

The former is no longer true and the Navy can now claim that they have gone the unmanned route.

The goal was also to stop using SHs as tankers, as it not only wore them out faster, but cut into the combat punch, as aircraft were being used as tankers instead of strikers, fleet defense, etc.... The CPFH on the MQ-25 will be a fraction as well, which frees up funds elsewhere.
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Unread post05 Feb 2020, 06:58

marauder2048 wrote:
hythelday wrote:This tweet from Steve Trimble is neither about F-35 nor Stingray but quite interesting nonerheless:

<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">https://mobile.twitter.com/TheDEWLine/status/1224728667479322624</span>

I like the fact that nowadays militaries can still keep things under wrap, like this unmanned Growlers or Israeli Pereh tank.


..and just about completely kills the justification for the MQ-25. There's probably nothing preventing you from
refueling from a 5-wet or 3-wet + CFT drone Super Bug. And it'll be a good deal cheaper than
developing and carrier qualifying a new aircraft.



hmm, you may have a point??? Why not just upgrade older Super Hornets to Tanker/Drones. While, buying more F-35C's.....
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Unread post05 Feb 2020, 07:49

Was not there a point to 'clean sheet design' with something in the future in mind? Yes a tanker with future possibilities. Shornet Drones are so out of luck with that and probably out of time airframewise. USN needs all the manned aircraft +.
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Unread post28 Mar 2020, 11:26

Boeing stays focused on basics to keep unmanned tanker on track [long article best read at source]
28 Mar 2020 Garrett Reim

"By keeping its eye on two goals - refuelling fighters and operating from a carrier - the MQ-25A Stingray development team expects its unmanned air vehicle (UAV) to achieve initial operational capability (IOC) by 2024; other functions can come later.

The Boeing MQ-25A Stingray in-flight refuelling tanker is on track to achieve initial operational capability (IOC) by 2024. That is thanks to a narrow set of development goals, close integration with Naval Air Systems Command personnel and the early test use of a flyable prototype, says Boeing.

The manufacturer adds that the core of its MQ-25A development strategy is waving off distractions in order to deliver on just two goals: building an aircraft that can fly from an aircraft carrier deck and can refuel fighters. “If we focus on what’s in front of us and do it well, we are sure it opens doors,” says Dave Bujold, director of the MQ-25A programme. “If we don’t focus on what is in front of us and don’t do it well, we are sure it closes doors.”...

...In June 2019, the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency announced its intention to award a sole-source contract to Boeing Phantom Works to study the capabilities of the company’s Multi-Mission Pod on the MQ-25A. Bujold reiterates the USN focus is on aerial refuelling, but points out the aircraft has some limited ISR capabilities now.

“It’s not doing anything crazy or exotic that would capture anybody’s imagination,” he says. “But it certainly is going out of line-of-sight communications with the carrier. So therefore it’s an interesting player in the carrier air wing for potential ISR use.”

Boeing is under contract to produce four engineering, manufacturing and development (EMD) MQ-25A tankers for the USN under an $805 million contract awarded in 2018. The service wants the MQ-25A to achieve IOC by sooner than 2024 if the results of flight testing allow. Boeing plans to start delivering EMD aircraft in 2021.

The USN will decide how many examples of the MQ-25A to buy after IOC. The Congressional Budget Office projects the service could buy as many as 75 aircraft....

...The team is also performing flight tests on a Boeing-owned MQ-25A prototype, called the T-1. The T-1 has amassed near 30 flight hours since its maiden sortie in September 2019.

The T-1 is a “high-fidelity” prototype, with a design that closely represents the aeronautical performance and software code of the forthcoming EMD aircraft. That closeness has allowed the manufacturer to get an early start on testing that is usually reserved for later aircraft examples.

“By the time you start that classic developmental flight test, we’ll already have retired some test points having used our T-1 asset,” says Bujold. “A good example is later this year when we put the air refuelling store on T-1. We’ll be exercising all the software it takes to control that store from the control station. And of course, that reduces all of the risk and increases our knowledge as we go.”

Because air refuelling store testing was originally planned to be done later on the EMD aircraft, Boeing plans to beef up the left wing of T-1 to hold the fuel pod. Tests will look at deploying and retracting the hose-and-drogue system, watching how it behaves in the air stream.

In 2020, the Boeing-USN team also aims to install the Raytheon Joint Precision Approach and Landing System (JPALS), which will automatically guide the MQ-25A to the deck of an aircraft carrier.

As part of a separate initiative, manufacturer Raytheon is demonstrating an expeditionary JPALS variant that could one day guide the MQ-25A onto remote island landing strips, a capability that could allow the UAV to set up forward aerial refuelling points for fighter aircraft of the USN, as well as the US Marine Corps and US Air Force. Bujold declines to comment on the potential of the MQ-25A in expeditionary warfare, noting that the focus on carrier operations is the priority…."

Source: https://www.flightglobal.com/flight-int ... 78.article
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