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The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
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Unread post11 Apr 2018, 06:35

:devil: Brake Da Fence makes the same 404 engine mistake - they were all on the piss (booze) I reckon. :doh: nothing else.

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Unread post14 Apr 2018, 00:13

For sure the USN definition of 'rapid' is slowly puzzling me but not my concern really, hope it all works out well enough....
MQ-25 Contenders on Display at U.S. Navy Show
12 Apr 2018 Chris Pocock

"...One of the many puzzling aspects of the MQ-25 iteration, is that the Navy has declared an urgent need to stop using F-18s as "buddy" refuelers to preserve airframe life, and yet the MQ-25 program of record does not foresee an operational capability until 2026. But Weiss said that the Navy “desired a rapid program” and that ADP would work with the Navy’s Maritime Accelerated Capability Office (MACO)....

...Another puzzling aspect of the MQ-25 program is that, unlike for any previous U.S. military UAS program, the winning airframer will have to adapt to a control system provided by the Navy, which will act as “lead systems integrator.” [think the amazing success of the X-47B] Presumably, however, the contenders have been made familiar with that control system via the risk-reduction contracts that they each received in the fall of 2016....

...Reportedly, Northrop Grumman was not comfortable with the terms of the “fixed-price incentive, firm-target contract” that the Navy is offering. Another reason for not bidding could be that the Aerospace Systems business sector of Northrop Grumman is already working at capacity on other Pentagon programs. It has won the B-21 new stealth bomber development contract; is still developing the RQ-4/MQ-4 high-altitude UAV; and is also producing a highly-classified penetrating ISR airframe that is now entering service with the USAF."

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Unread post14 Apr 2018, 04:37

They want the program rapidly, not the tanker?
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Unread post14 Apr 2018, 14:47

spazsinbad wrote:For sure the USN definition of 'rapid' is slowly puzzling me but not my concern really, hope it all works out well enough....
MQ-25 Contenders on Display at U.S. Navy Show
12 Apr 2018 Chris Pocock

"...One of the many puzzling aspects of the MQ-25 iteration, is that the Navy has declared an urgent need to stop using F-18s as "buddy" refuelers to preserve airframe life, and yet the MQ-25 program of record does not foresee an operational capability until 2026. But Weiss said that the Navy “desired a rapid program” and that ADP would work with the Navy’s Maritime Accelerated Capability Office (MACO)....

...Another puzzling aspect of the MQ-25 program is that, unlike for any previous U.S. military UAS program, the winning airframer will have to adapt to a control system provided by the Navy, which will act as “lead systems integrator.” [think the amazing success of the X-47B] Presumably, however, the contenders have been made familiar with that control system via the risk-reduction contracts that they each received in the fall of 2016....

...Reportedly, Northrop Grumman was not comfortable with the terms of the “fixed-price incentive, firm-target contract” that the Navy is offering. Another reason for not bidding could be that the Aerospace Systems business sector of Northrop Grumman is already working at capacity on other Pentagon programs. It has won the B-21 new stealth bomber development contract; is still developing the RQ-4/MQ-4 high-altitude UAV; and is also producing a highly-classified penetrating ISR airframe that is now entering service with the USAF."

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Unread post16 Apr 2018, 12:09

MQ-25 Stingray Drone Purpose-Built to Marry Manned, Unmanned
09 Apr 2018 Nick Zazulia

"...Weiss stressed the importance of the MQ-25 being purpose-built while most tankers are derivatives of other designs, which, he said, generally leaves them compromised. Originally, Lockheed did look at re-purposing its canceled U-class surveillance drone, the Sea Ghost, but Weiss said that the Skunk Works team was unsatisfied.

The result is a built-from-the-ground-up flying-wing UAS designed to check all the Navy’s boxes for range (Lockheed touts a 52% increase for an F-35C) and carrier-suitability and to leave room for future growth....

...“The breakthrough that’s going to occur with the MQ-25? It’s not, frankly, operating an unmanned air system off a carrier. We know how to do that, and the design itself is low risk. But the learning and the opportunity is going to be the man-unmanned teaming that comes with it.”

A lot of that ability comes from the AI Lockheed Martin has running the MQ-25. For instance, sensors on the front of the Stingray through which the operator watches a yellow-shirted leading petty officer directing them on a carrier flight deck also has indicators to show the LPO that the operator is watching them. That is to facilitate communication and easier landing and parking on a crowded flight deck being shared by manned and unmanned aircraft.

The company won’t reveal any partners working on internal technology or avionics yet, but Weiss said that Lockheed is leveraging its work on open-system architecture to mission control systems to give the Stingray that ability to work smoothly with manned aircraft, some basic ISR capabilities, multi-vehicle control potential and, above all else, the ability to grow and adapt in the future.

To that end, stealth capabilities are one arena that Weiss said could become relevant at some point. Though the Stingray is not a low-observable stealth design, the flying-wing form factor and open-architecture system lend themselves to that capability if the Navy expresses interest in the future.

A demonstration for the Navy is coming up soon, showing an unrevealed configuration aircraft that Skunk Works is confident “is very representative” of the MQ-25’s capabilities."

Source: http://www.aviationtoday.com/2018/04/09 ... -unmanned/

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Unread post17 Apr 2018, 23:44

General Atomics demonstrates MQ-25 drone’s flight deck capability
17 Apr 2018 Daniel Cebul

"WASHINGTON ― General Atomics Aeronautical Systems has successfully demonstrated flight deck taxi capability for the MQ-25. Using a Predator C Avenger as a surrogate, the company demonstrated its unmanned platforms can integrate with the complexities of flight deck operations.

The Avenger specifically showed it could taxi and transition to launch and recovery phases. “This demonstration proves that the GA-ASI solution will integrate into existing ship operations, and that translates into less time spent steaming into the wind for launches and recoveries,” David R. Alexander, president of GA-ASI’s aircraft systems unit, said in a news release.

Flight deck operators used specially designed wands that enabled the unmanned system to “see“ standard Naval Air Training and Operating Procedures Standardization flight deck director hand gestures using GA-ASI recognition algorithms.

MQ-25 will be able to ‘talk back’ to the controller and other flight deck personnel using a small series of LEDs that change colors and/or flash to show that they have received a command and indicate the aircraft’s condition or operating state,” Alexander said. “To give you an idea of how the system works, think Wii for aircraft control.”..."

Source: https://www.defensenews.com/unmanned/20 ... apability/

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Unread post18 Apr 2018, 12:50

TAXI DEMO VIDEO HERE: http://www.ga-asi.com/MQ-25 MQ-25 Flight Deck Taxi Capability
General Atomics demos Wii-like deck-handling system for MQ-25
16 Apr 2018 Garrett Reim

"General Atomics Aeronautical Systems demonstrated aircraft carrier deck-handling controls for its MQ-25 tanker bid using a pair of motion-sensing director wands and an Avenger unmanned aerial vehicle as a stand-in for its yet-to-be-built prototype.

The demonstration showed the ability to control the Avenger UAV on a tarmac using hand movements, including the ability to direct taxing, and transition to the launch and recovery phases, General Atomics showed in a video posted to its website. The specially designed director wands are the same size, shape and weight as those used on aircraft carrier decks to direct manned aircraft, such as the F/A-18 Super Hornet, the company said.

General Atomics’ wands use proprietary gesture recognition algorithms to identify standard hand movements, as designated by Naval Air Training and Operating Procedures, and then translates and sends those commands to the MQ-25 air vehicle, the company said. The aircraft receives the commands and converts them into the appropriate actions.

“MQ-25 will be able to talk back to the controller and other flight deck personnel using a small series of LEDs that change colors and flash to show that they have received a command and indicate the aircraft’s condition or operating state,” said General Atomics’ David Alexander, president of GA-ASI’s aircraft systems. “A safety observer on deck can stop the aircraft instantly any time an unsafe situation is identified. To give you an idea of how the system works, think Wii for aircraft control.”

Directors can fully control aircraft taxi operations on deck using the wand, including lowering and raising the launch bar, spreading and folding the wings, and raising the arresting hook, General Atomics said...."



Source: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... em-447750/



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Unread post18 Apr 2018, 16:38

"Weapon bay door" ??? @ 2:35 of the video Spaz posted.

It would seem LM & AGI both have an eye towards the boom-boom.
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Unread post01 May 2018, 14:26

Another tedious article about the TORTURED 'to & froing' about getting from start to a STUNGray but interesting bits....
ANALYSIS: US Navy takes lead in bringing Stingray on board [LONG ARTICLE]
01 May 2018 Stephen Trimble

"...The future MQ-25 Stingray's primary mission has devolved from a stealthy, carrier-based, unmanned bomber to an aerial refuelling system, but its fundamental contribution to the Department of Defense's portfolio of unmanned capabilities has never changed....

...UNORTHODOX APPROACH
The handling of the "air system" as merely a component of the programme betrays one of the most unique features of the USN's acquisition strategy for the MQ-25. For the first time in an aircraft development programme, the navy will assume the role as the lead systems integrator. This means that the service – and not the air system contractor – will develop the MQ-25's carrier-based cockpit, which is designated as the MD-5, as part of the control station and connectivity segment. The USN also is responsible for delivering the Carrier Vessel, Nuclear segment, which includes adapting its ships to accommodate the MQ-25 and the MD-5, such as modifying the joint precision approach landing system and the airborne launch and recovery equipment systems.

Such an arrangement produces some awkward moments. When asked for details about the concept of operations for the aerial refuelling system, the contractors can only shrug and say the lead system integrator has not shared it yet.

But it also narrows the contractor's focus on the air system component only. Although details of the in-flight choreography of aerial refuelling are not known, the contractors are responsible for designing a system that manoeuvres the aircraft around the carrier deck, obeying commands from a yellow-shirted deck handler as any manned aircraft would.

The UCAS-D activity allowed Northrop to take the first crack at inventing such a system. The X-47B was controlled on deck by an additional crewman who stood beside the yellow-shirted deck-handler. The additional crewman wore a battery-powered controller on his right hand, which was connected by radio frequency data link to the vehicle. As the yellow-shirt commanded a manoeuvre, the crewman used the controller to move the aircraft right, left and forward.

Boeing is keeping its approach to deck handling operations a competitive secret, but General Atomics and Lockheed have provided full details. Strikingly, neither company adopts Northrop's pioneering approach on the X-47B, but has adopted two very different approaches.

In General Atomics' system, there is no need for adding a dedicated crewmember solely for deck handling. Instead of using a person to interpret the deck handler's commands and relay them to the aircraft, the company has developed a "smart wand". The gestures used by the deck handler are transmitted by the wand to the vehicle, which responds as if a pilot was on board.

Lockheed's system requires adding a crewmember simply for deck handling, but offers a certain degree of simplicity. A camera is embedded in the front of the aircraft. The video captures the commands by the deck handler, then transmits the feed in real time to an operator below decks
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Unread post01 Jun 2018, 02:01

GA-ASI completes first test of PW815 turbofan for MQ-25 bid
31 May 2018 Garrett Reim

"General Atomics Aeronautical Systems successfully tested Pratt & Whitney’s PW815 turbofan engine on an inlet and exhaust mock-up for its proposed MQ-25 unmanned aerial aircraft on 5 April. The test met all objectives and the joint team is now further evaluating data collected from that test, according to GA-ASI....

...The PW815 is rated at 16,000lb-thrust, which is substantially more than the proposed engine for Lockheed Martin’s MQ-25 bid, the 10,000lb-thrust General Electric F404, and the proposed engine for Boeing’s MQ-25 bid a 9,000lb-thrust version of the Rolls-Royce AE3007....

...The PW815 also is the power plant for the twin-engine business jets Gulfstream G500 and Gulfstream G600. The G500 is close to completing FAA certification testing and is scheduled to be delivered to a customer later this year after a delay of several months."



Source: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... mq-449089/
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Unread post12 Jun 2018, 23:26

Four Page PDF article about the MQ-25 from latest June 2018 SEAPOWER Magazine attached:
The Carrier Air Wing's Unmanned Tanker
Jun 2018 Richard R. Burgess

...“The government-owned aviation ship interfaces developed during the UCAS-D program for the X-47B were provided to the MQ-25 contractors. Additional government-owned ship system interfaces will also be made available for the MQ-25 program. Specific CVN [aircraft carrier] UAS technologies required to operate an unmanned vehicle within the carrier-controlled airspace have been demonstrated via surrogate testing under the UCAS-D effort....”



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Unread post29 Jun 2018, 01:48

Mission Payloads Tested Aboard GA-ASI’s MQ-25A Surrogate Aircraft
28 Jun 2018 SEAPOWER

"SAN DIEGO — General Atomics Aeronautical Systems Inc. (GA‑ASI) announced June 28 that it has successfully flown its MQ-25A surrogate aircraft – a Predator C Avenger – outfitted with a representative set of mission payloads, including electro-optical/infrared, electronic support measures, automatic identification system and mission processing....

...The GA-ASI team built upon its analysis performed under the Navy’s concept refinement contract to develop a scalable mission architecture that supports Open Mission System standards and the Navy Inter-operability Profile datalink.

During the flight, the MQ-25A surrogate’s payloads were remotely commanded by GA-ASI’s extensible payload command and control system. The team will leverage this software to enhance the Navy’s Unmanned Carrier Aviation Mission Control System. Between flights, GA-ASI quickly reconfigured the unmanned aerial system with different payloads to demonstrate the system’s modular design and the benefits of an open architecture solution."

Source: http://seapowermagazine.org/stories/20180628-MQ25.html
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Unread post01 Jul 2018, 16:24

How about slinging a few AMRAAM's under each wing? Or even better, internally??

I'd feel a lot better about its ability to protect itself. The Navy might even come to use it as a mini arsenal plane, loaded up with AIM-120D's for defense of the carrier strike group. Lots of gas, lots of persistence. Lots of firepower. No pilot fatigue. No pension to pay said pilots, etc.

Combine that with a few F-35C's on strip/deck alert, and a few E-2D's and you've brought the cost of 24/7 air defense WAY down, extended F-35C airframe life and shut down aircraft/cruise missile threats 350 miles out.
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Unread post03 Jul 2018, 13:16

Skunk Works’ MQ-25 Performs Deck Handling Demo
03 Jul 2018 Jen DiMascio

"Lockheed Martin simulated a deck-handling demonstration of its MQ-25 flying-wing design UAV in mid-May at its Skunk Works facility in Palmdale, California, for U.S. Navy officials....

...Lockheed’s entry for the MQ-25 uses a wide-field-of-view camera positioned on the nose of the aircraft for a panoramic view of the deck. Combined with Lockheed’s software and control mechanisms, this helps the company address one of the Navy’s key concerns. In this case, the operator of the UAV can see directions from personnel on the carrier deck perhaps even better than an F-18 pilot, according to John Clark, vice president of intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance for Skunk Works. Once the aircraft takes off, the software allows the operator to remain in the loop or allows for more autonomous operations constrained by rules of engagement.

“The Navy doesn’t want to add a lot of people on the carrier deck,” Clark said. “We are doing everything with the existing deck infrastructure through a mix of software and automated controls. We can complete this activity fully with the personnel on the deck.”..."

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