F-35 and X-47B

The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
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Unread post25 Jan 2018, 04:12

sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:I probably watch the C-130 video twice a year just for grins.


The U-2 carrier landing is pretty neat also IMO.

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Unread post25 Jan 2018, 10:16

Nice video indeed rheonomic!

I did remember that the C-130 was tested on US Carriers but I admit that I didn't recall that the U-2 was also tested on Carriers as well :)
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Unread post25 Jan 2018, 10:57

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Unread post25 Jan 2018, 14:02

GA MQ-25 based on Predator C from AIR International Feb 2018 Vol.94 No.2 PDF of two pages attached Tee One.
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Unread post13 Feb 2018, 10:29

8) I'll probably never see the MQ-25 in service in videos - so much for urgency - USN does things in own way I guess. So this is the reason more Super Hornets are required. TANKERS TANKERS TANKERS in the interim and DAMN THE TORPEDOES! :roll:
Navy FY 2019 Budget Request Pushes MQ-25A Stingray to Mid-2020s
12 Feb 2018 Ben Werner

"THE PENTAGON – The Navy’s MQ-25A Stingray unmanned aerial tanker project, previously described as a rapid acquisition program for the department, is now not set to be integrated into the air wing until 2026, officials said on Monday.

The Navy is proposing spending $719 million on research and development for the MQ-25A and now anticipates purchasing the first four aircraft in 2023. The service doesn’t expect to reach initial operational capability until Fiscal Year 2026, Rear Adm. Brian Luther, the deputy assistant secretary of the Navy for budget and the director of fiscal management on the Chief of Naval Operations staff, said during a Fiscal Year 2019 budget briefing Monday...."

Source: https://news.usni.org/2018/02/12/navy-f ... -mid-2020s
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Unread post13 Feb 2018, 10:49

"When a fifth-generation fighter meets a fourth-generation fighter—the [latter] dies,”
CSAF Gen. Mark Welsh
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Unread post13 Feb 2018, 11:34

:shock: Jeepers that is somewhere ELSE altogether. This thread has been running for AGES. :doh:
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Unread post13 Feb 2018, 21:13

Boeing unit joins General Atomics' bid for MQ-25
13 Feb 2018 Stephen Trimble

"Boeing has joined a team of suppliers supporting General Atomics Aeronautical Systems’ bid to win the US Navy’s MQ-25 Stingray programme even as it continues to promote a clean-sheet alternative design....

...“Pursuing the programme as a prime bidder and a member of the General Atomics team is good for our customer and reflects our focus on doing what’s necessary to compete, win and grow,” Boeing says....

...If selected, the GA-ASI Stingray would be powered by the nearly 16,000lb-thrust Pratt & Whitney Canada PW815 turbofan engine. GA-ASI is so far the only bidder in the MQ-25 competition to have revealed an engine choice. It shows that the MQ-25 will be considerably larger than GA-ASI’s jet-powered Predator C Avenger unmanned air system, which is powered by the nearly 4,000lb-thrust PW545B turbofan.

GA-ASI also selected UTC Aerospace Systems to design and build the landing gear and GKN Aerospace’s Fokker business to supply the arresting hook."

Source: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 25-445878/
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Unread post13 Feb 2018, 21:42

For fucks sake. WHY DELAY AWESOME PROGRAMS TO PRODUCE MORE F-18's.
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Unread post13 Feb 2018, 21:52

Officers maneuvering for a Boeing job after retirement? :roll:

Either that or their budget it to tight and they are too short-sighted.
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Unread post13 Feb 2018, 23:11

They're willing to continue burning airframe hours in the tanker role to get some shiny new jets.
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Unread post14 Feb 2018, 01:54

Honestly the original schedule was way too optimistic.
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Unread post23 Feb 2018, 03:52

SUNset for the MQ-25: http://www.ga-asi.com/websites/gaasi/im ... eader2.jpg

FRUM: http://www.ga-asi.com/MQ-25 OH this IS fun: http://www.ga-asi.com/a-torturous-path
"...Except for trucking diesel through enemy territory in Afghanistan, delivering fuel to an airborne F/A-18 with another F/A-18 is the highest “fully burdened cost of fuel” of any service, anywhere in the world. Furthermore, the Navy is wearing out their premier fighters by configuring at least 6 of the 44 assigned to a carrier air wing as heavy tankers. It is estimated that around 20% of Super Hornet fatigue life is currently consumed by the tanking mission. Given the readiness challenges facing tactical aviation, we must be smarter. The addition of a carrier-based unmanned tanker effectively returns six strike-fighters back to the carrier strike group while more efficiently tanking aircraft overhead or at range."

HubbaHubba: http://www.ga-asi.com/keeping-the-strik ... d-informed
"...Some have argued that longer endurance aircraft will have less fuel capacity. Last year, naval observer Jerry Hendrix argued that “Designing an aircraft to fly 12 hours unrefueled negatively impacts its ability to carry large fuel (or other) payloads over long distances.” This is incorrect. In fact, relatively long (12 hours or more) endurance and air refueling offload are not mutually exclusive and are both necessary to meet critical Navy operational needs. Aircraft designers have long understood that utilizing proven, high-bypass engine technology can create an aircraft with both significant endurance and fuel offload. A stealth fighter, or F/A-18, is not optimized for fuel give or ISR – it is designed to go fast while maneuvering at heavy g-loads. For the MQ-25, neither of these things is required or desired and would represent a significant “over-design” of the aircraft. Hopefully, the airframe which will be chosen for the MQ-25 will have enough wing area to allow for optimized fuel give and significant endurance...."

OhBoy: http://www.ga-asi.com/an-enduring-solution
"...Combining a large fuel offload with a long-endurance capability is the challenge facing designers of the MQ-25. An aircraft that can offload 15,000 pounds of fuel at 500 NM would enable two F-35’s to operate around 1000 NM from the carrier....

...A well-designed tanker/ISR platform will change how we fight at sea. Enabling next-generation aircraft to operate forward will effectively bring the deep-strike mission back to carrier aviation. Persistent, networked, ISR will enable a range of capabilities for the CSG while allowing it to dominate in contested environments. The studies and analysis are clear that both significantly large tanker fuel give at range and long endurance ISR are compatible in the same air vehicle design. It is past time for Super Hornets to get out of the tanking business and for the Navy to move out with the MQ-25 program."
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Unread post23 Feb 2018, 04:12

If those new GE (or P&W) engines they're working on will be able to put out what they're saying, them F-35C's are going to have some crazy range with this tanker.
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Unread post23 Feb 2018, 04:16

:devil: SSHHH - Don't tell the USN (or 'maus92') :doh: Too much pie in the sky - gotta see it all working at sea first with lots of testing. You know the drill. :poke: Carrier aircraft are not land based aircraft - SHAKE RATTLE & ROLL baby. 8)
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