F-35A versus Saab Grippen NG

The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
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Unread post09 Feb 2018, 17:13

"..."The Gripen is designed for narrow roads, and so would be perfect for carrier operations," Ahlqvist said."


And since I can drink wine, I would be a perfect wine producer, I said.

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Unread post09 Feb 2018, 17:19

SINCE 2004! OMG! MORE GRIPPING SEA STORIES: http://www.gripenblogs.com/Lists/Tags/T ... Sea+Gripen
Saab Sea Gripen – The Future Of Carrier Borne Air Power
06 mayo 2013 SAAB Historia

"Saab has long considered the potential for its Gripen fighter to be adapted for maritime use from STOBAR and CATOBAR aircraft carriers. The inherent strength built into the airframe to permit regular road based/short field operations, the excellent forward field of view on approach, the outstanding handling characteristics at all speeds gave confidence that Gripen had all the basics to build upon. Of the ten critical criteria that all carrier based aircraft require, Gripen possessed seven. Since 2004, increasingly detailed work to prove this concept has borne out the original thinking – that Gripen will indeed make a first class carrier based fighter, retaining all the capability and cost efficiencies of the land based Gripen E/F. The final detailed design work, conducted by linked teams in London and Linköping, was completed in August 2012....

...India has embarked on an ambitious warship building programme that this decade will see the Indian Navy operate a significant blue water navy, with aircraft carriers and full carrier based fighter forces. Saab sees Sea Gripen as the ideal IN fleet fighter, and a perfect fit in terms of timing. Saab proposes to work in partnership with the Indian Navy, Integrated Command, DRDO and ship building authorities to demonstrate fully the major advantages that Sea Gripen can bring to the new carrier fleet, and to the security of the nation, for the next 40 years....

...The London Design Centre
Saab recruited a team of UK based engineers to staff a new design centre in the Saab UK London office, to conduct final detailed design of the carrier-based version of the aircraft. This design phase built upon many years of investigative work already completed by Saab Aeronautics to produce a marine version. The engineers were a mix of Gripen specialists from Linköping, and UK based experts on carrier operations. Sweden tapped into this pool of maritime jet knowledge that resides in UK, to form a highly focused combined Swedish/UK team to deliver the design and production plans....

...The Sea Gripen is intended for both CATOBAR as well as STOBAR operations. All the sensors, avionics and weapons and the GE 414G of the Gripen NG will be offered in the Sea Gripen....

...Today, the Gripen platform meets and exceeds the highest requirements to be able to operate anywhere in the world. Potential customers place exceptional demands on the fighters’ ability to operate in high humidity conditions. The challenge at sea is to add in the extreme corrosive effect of salt water ingress when operating in the maritime environment. The very exacting Gripen design tolerances in build produce a watertight outer skin on the airframe, which protects against salt water ingress and the very hostile climatic conditions encountered in the maritime environment. The Sea Gripen EW Suite, RCS/Stealth features and sensor fusion will be identical to the land based Gripen E/F...."

Source: https://saab.com/es/region/india/about- ... air-power/

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Unread post09 Feb 2018, 17:26

I can't remember... Is there a difference between the Gripen NG concept and what eventually became the Gripen E/F?
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Unread post09 Feb 2018, 22:13

SpudmanWP wrote:I can't remember... Is there a difference between the Gripen NG concept and what eventually became the Gripen E/F?


I would say that no, there isn't a "proper difference" between the Gripen NG concept and the Gripen E/F.

- The Gripen E is the single seat production aircraft of the Gripen NG program.
- The Gripen E is the twin seat production aircraft of the Gripen NG program.

Or putting in other words, the Gripen NG is the program that will originate in the Gripen E/F.

And analogous comparison would be JSF (Joint Strike Fighter) and the F-35A/B/C - In the end they are the same thing, aren't they?
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Unread post09 Feb 2018, 23:32

"IF", and I repeat "IF", the Griphen was that good?
=> They did not have to use 3D animations to make their point. => Clowns, nothing more, nothing less.

"IF", and again, "IF they had "the real thing"?
=> Would they not be proud to show it off?

Now it looks like an amateur "B" actress showing some fake plastic breasts to get a Job. :doh:
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Unread post10 Feb 2018, 01:59

28 page PDF Supplement 'bout the GRIPPING GRIPEN etc from Combat Aircraft Magazine July 2016 attached.
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Unread post11 Feb 2018, 14:25

vilters wrote:"IF", and I repeat "IF", the Griphen was that good?
=> They did not have to use 3D animations to make their point. => Clowns, nothing more, nothing less.

"IF", and again, "IF they had "the real thing"?
=> Would they not be proud to show it off?

Now it looks like an amateur "B" actress showing some fake plastic breasts to get a Job. :doh:


That formula still works for a LOT of women..

BTW, I prefer the fake ones... :)
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Unread post12 Feb 2018, 17:15

spazsinbad wrote:28 page PDF Supplement 'bout the GRIPPING GRIPEN etc from Combat Aircraft Magazine July 2016 attached.

Thanks.

Interestingly it says
"• Reduced radar cross-section (RCS) —
included as a contractual obligation."

So they have made an effort then to reduce the RCS compared to the Gripen C.
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Unread post12 Feb 2018, 18:36

loke wrote:Interestingly it says
"• Reduced radar cross-section (RCS) —
included as a contractual obligation."

Does it also include by how much? Else a minor change can be enough to reach that goal in bean counter world.
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Unread post12 Feb 2018, 18:57

botsing wrote:
loke wrote:Interestingly it says
"• Reduced radar cross-section (RCS) —
included as a contractual obligation."

Does it also include by how much? Else a minor change can be enough to reach that goal in bean counter world.

I strongly doubt the FMV would add a completely useless requirement, AFAIK they normally don't do that.


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Unread post12 Feb 2018, 21:44

loke wrote:
botsing wrote:
loke wrote:Interestingly it says
"• Reduced radar cross-section (RCS) —
included as a contractual obligation."

Does it also include by how much? Else a minor change can be enough to reach that goal in bean counter world.

I strongly doubt the FMV would add a completely useless requirement, AFAIK they normally don't do that.


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Unread post13 Feb 2018, 02:02

I guess he means it would be useless to require just a minor RCS reduction.
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Unread post13 Feb 2018, 03:24

nutshell wrote:I guess he means it would be useless to require just a minor RCS reduction.



I'm standing by for this then lol.
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Unread post13 Feb 2018, 13:25

nutshell wrote:I guess he means it would be useless to require just a minor RCS reduction.

Define "minor"...

Joking apart, it would not make sense to make it a contractual obligation to make an RCS reduction that is so small that it makes no difference (or, as I phrased it "useless").

The Rafale and SH have significant RCS reductions compared to Mirage 2000 and Hornet. Seems Gripen E will also have significant RCS reductions compared to Gripen C, turning it into a true 4.5 gen a/c.
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Unread post13 Feb 2018, 13:37

XanderCrews wrote:
nutshell wrote:I guess he means it would be useless to require just a minor RCS reduction.



I'm standing by for this then lol.



Basically what Loke said.
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