F-35A versus Saab Gripen NG

The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
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Unread post15 Mar 2016, 19:53

cosmicdwarf wrote:
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madrat wrote:All this talk about Gripen NG not going to be stealth? Are you FKM? Gripen C already is LO, and at critical angles is already nothing short of VLO. It has already demonstrated this in real world conditions. And it has probably the smallest IR signature of any modern non-fifth generation fighter


Where in the world did you get this from? The only place any Gripen is LO is its presence in the worlds air forces...

Saab sales sheet?



In before "size"

In before then F-5 and T-38 are VLO

In before Mooney is stealth
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Unread post16 Mar 2016, 09:07

madrat wrote:All this talk about Gripen NG not going to be stealth? Are you FKM? Gripen C already is LO, and at critical angles is already nothing short of VLO. It has already demonstrated this in real world conditions. And it has probably the smallest IR signature of any modern non-fifth generation fighter


I have seen with my own eyes how Gripen A is seen by radar systems in real world exercise and I must say it's not that different to F/A-18C, F-16 MLU or Mirage 2000-5. The difference in radar detectability and thus RCS seemed to be fairly small between all of those. I don't know what the aircraft were carrying during the exercise but it was large scale (up to about 40 aircraft in the air simultaneously) air combat exercise. All pictures I've seen, all aircraft have carried 1 or 2 EFT. I can believe Gripen has the lowest RCS of those mentioned, but it's not LO and definitely not VLO at any angle. C-model may have some minor improvements but there is no way it has seriously lower RCS than A-model.

I'd like to know what real world conditions and sources you are referring to?
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Unread post16 Mar 2016, 13:03

The Gripen sure ain't VLO to the Swiss voters bwahahahaha....oh the burn!!!! :mrgreen:
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Unread post16 Mar 2016, 14:18

mk82 wrote:The Gripen sure ain't VLO to the Swiss voters bwahahahaha....oh the burn!!!! :mrgreen:


And yet...maybe it is; I don't think any of them have seen one... :wink: :wink:
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Unread post17 May 2016, 07:03

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Unread post17 May 2016, 10:37

So an updated link (pretty much the same info, just the link location is different now) for what Spazsinbad posted earlier as the Gripen NG's basic specs:

http://saab.com/globalassets/commercial ... et--en.pdf

It's hard trying to find other basic specs though...any idea what Gripen NG's wing area is? Dry thrust? Although assuming it's the F414 (I think it is), looks like dry thrust is 13,000 lbf.

Assuming it takes off with full internal fuel (and why wouldn't it?), it seems like this leaves about 11,000 lb for payload, based on its MTOW.
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Unread post17 May 2016, 14:03

vanshilar wrote:It's hard trying to find other basic specs though...any idea what Gripen NG's wing area is? Dry thrust? Although assuming it's the F414 (I think it is), looks like dry thrust is 13,000 lbf.


According to GE Aviation the Gripen NG uses the F414-GE-39E engine, but it lists the standard -400 specs in the data sheet, so it's not clear what the differences are and whether they have any impact on performance.
http://www.geaviation.com/engines/docs/military/datasheet-F414-GE-39E.pdf
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Unread post18 May 2016, 03:20

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Unread post18 May 2016, 04:10



Oh wow... well if I can say one thing in praise of Saab, its that they have one heck of a slick marketing department, probably the best one in the business. Must be something they picked up from making all those automobiles.

"There's a whole army down there!" "How did they get all that past us?" I dunno... But old lady pilot scanning the desert on 100x magnification probably wasn't a sound strategy. Hey wait a second, didn't you JUST say nothing escapes our watching eyes?? :lmao:

Really curious how they will substantiate having "the worlds best data link".
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Unread post18 May 2016, 04:23

durahawk wrote:Really curious how they will substantiate having "the worlds best data link".


Because... SQUIRREL!!!!


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Unread post18 May 2016, 04:31

LM PR oughtta hire these squirrels for the secret meerkat sauce:

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Unread post18 May 2016, 04:33



"Let's get them in there quick, before they have a chance to put SAMs there to protect that bridge".
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Unread post18 May 2016, 04:38

That was a slick video, not sure if anything on gripen is "Cutting Edge" but the video is really good lol
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Unread post18 May 2016, 08:44

Saab ready to reveal first Gripen E
18 May 2016 Craig Hoyle

"...A sizeable list of other nations viewed as potential future operators includes Belgium, Bulgaria, Colombia, Finland, India and Slovakia, says Jerker [I'm only joking - I guess billybobboysweetiepie is the 6gen joker - wildcard entry?] Ahlqvist, Saab’s head of Gripen programme...."

Source: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... -e-425451/
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Unread post18 May 2016, 10:10

A Finnish television channel reported that (based on a news story by the Swedish television channel TV4) only a quarter of the Swedish Gripen force is operational. Total amount of Gripens in service is 74 AFAIK.

Text in finnish:
http://www.mtv.fi/uutiset/ulkomaat/arti ... na/5898976

Apparently they have some servicing problems, one of three service depots was closed to cut costs. Anyhow, if you need to have one service depot per roughly 10 planes you are in big problems... Especially if you have a plane that is supposed to be very cheap and easy to operate.

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