USAF requests info on new anti-radiation missile for F-35A

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Unread post13 Jan 2020, 09:11

Started a new thread because possibility the AARGM-ER will become available for the F-35A (or so sayeth the article).
US Air Force requests information on new anti-radiation missile for F-35A
11 Jan 2020 Garrett Reim

"The US Air Force (USAF) is requesting information for modifications to the US Navy’s (USN) Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile-Extended Range (AARGM-ER) programme that would make that weapon suitable for its Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II stealth fighter.

The so-called Stand-in Attack Weapon (SiAW) would “heavily leverage” the Northrop Grumman-manufactured AARGM-ER, according to a request for information posted online on 9 January. The AARGM-ER is to be integrated on the USN’s Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and Boeing EA-18G Growler aircraft, as well as the internal carriage on the F-35C variant.

[ 12 Mar 2019: https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing ... 89.article ]

“The SiAW modifications will make the weapon relevant for fifth-generation aircraft and include the development and integration of a warhead and fuze capable of prosecuting an expanded target set, an active radar homing guidance system and a universal armament interface message set for the SiAW missile and F-35A aircraft,” says the USAF in its notice. “SiAW will also seek development of future advanced capabilities to keep it relevant for evolving threats.”

The USAF says it is conducting market research for potential vendors to provide the modifications.…"

Source: https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing ... 97.article
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Unread post13 Jan 2020, 09:41

While, much of the discussion regarding the AARGM-ER was around the F-35C. I just assumed it was also being integrated into the F-35A. As it would fit both and would be the primary anti-radiation missile for the US and her Allies in the coming years.


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Unread post13 Jan 2020, 20:15

Corsair1963 wrote:While, much of the discussion regarding the AARGM-ER was around the F-35C. I just assumed it was also being integrated into the F-35A. As it would fit both and would be the primary anti-radiation missile for the US and her Allies in the coming years.


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The AARGM-ER should fit in the F-35A, but the USAF doesn't want the AARGM-ER as-is for their SIAW program, they want to modify it for different capabilities.
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Unread post14 Jan 2020, 05:07

castlebravo wrote:
Corsair1963 wrote:While, much of the discussion regarding the AARGM-ER was around the F-35C. I just assumed it was also being integrated into the F-35A. As it would fit both and would be the primary anti-radiation missile for the US and her Allies in the coming years.


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The AARGM-ER should fit in the F-35A, but the USAF doesn't want the AARGM-ER as-is for their SIAW program, they want to modify it for different capabilities.



I understand the USAF wants to modify the AARGM-ER for other roles. Yet, what will it use in the Anti-Radiation Role in the case of the F-35A???
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Unread post14 Jan 2020, 07:32

“The SiAW modifications will make the weapon relevant for fifth-generation aircraft and include the development and integration of a warhead and fuze capable of prosecuting an expanded target set, an active radar homing guidance system and a universal armament interface message set for the SiAW missile and F-35A aircraft,” says the USAF in its notice. “SiAW will also seek development of future advanced capabilities to keep it relevant for evolving threats.”


I thought AARGM and -ER already had active radar homing guidance along with passive radar homing guidance. Maybe they meant new or upgraded version of ARH guidance? IIRC AARGM-ER already has modular payload section, so new warheads should not be much of a problem. I really wonder what kind of things USAF wants from the new warhead and fuze that don't exist in the current version? Not that I expect to get any answer to that... :D
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Unread post14 Jan 2020, 11:18

Oddly the FY2020 budget papers make no mention of the ARH guidance system [edit: with regard to R&D for SiAW]

Stand In Attack Weapon (SiAW) system will provide strike capability to defeat rapidly relocatable targets that create the Anti-Access/Area Denial (A2/AD) environment.
The target environment includes Theater Ballistic Missile Launchers, Land Attack and Anti-Ship Cruise Missile Launchers, GPS Jammers, Anti-Satellite Systems, and Integrated Air Defense Systems. Key attributes of the Stand-in Attack Weapon (SiAW) will include Lethality, Responsiveness, Survivability, Range, and Internal Carriage. The F-35 is the Air Force threshold platform. The path to the SiAW capability is through the Navy Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile-Extended Range (AARGM-ER) program with additions to the Universal Armament Interface (UAI), Warhead/Fuze, and Integration on the F-35.


https://apps.dtic.mil/descriptivesum/Y2 ... B_2020.pdf
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Unread post14 Jan 2020, 15:00

aussiebloke wrote:Oddly the FY2020 budget papers make no mention of the ARH guidance system.

https://apps.dtic.mil/descriptivesum/Y2 ... B_2020.pdf



Well, I found this on naval-technology.com:
https://www.naval-technology.com/projec ... ile-aargm/

The AGM-88E is equipped with an advanced multi-sensor system comprising a Millimetre Wave (MMW) terminal seeker, advanced Anti-Radiation Homing (ARH) receiver and Global Positioning System / Inertial Navigation System (GPS/INS). The system can quickly engage traditional and advanced enemy air defence targets, as well as non-radar time-sensitive strike targets.


And also this (entitled: "Navy adds millimeter wave radar to AGM-88B anti-radiation missile"):
https://defensesystems.com/articles/201 ... /navy.aspx

The U.S. Navy is working with Orbital ATK to convert AGM-88B High Speed Anti-Radiation Missiles into 25 AGM-88E Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile (AARGM) All-Up-Rounds as part of an effort to destroy relocatable air defenses.

Additional features of the AARGM include weapon-impact-assessment transmit, millimeter wave radar terminal seeker, global positioning system/Inertial Navigation System guidance, net-centric connectivity, and digital, anti-radiation homing sensor.


It seems that one of the diferences between the "traditional" HARM or AGM-88B and the AARGM or AGM-88E is the addition of a Millimeter Wave Radar seeker.

Actually and to be honest with you I also didn't know about this! I had to search due to hornetfinn's post.


Maybe what the USAF wants is an AARGM or AARGM-ER variant with a multi-sensor seeker similar to the SDBII which would be a multi-sensor system that not only uses radar (passive and active) but also Infrared and who knows maybe Laser as well??
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post14 Jan 2020, 19:37

ricnunes wrote:



It seems that one of the diferences between the "traditional" HARM or AGM-88B and the AARGM or AGM-88E is the addition of a Millimeter Wave Radar seeker.

Actually and to be honest with you I also didn't know about this! I had to search due to hornetfinn's post.


Maybe what the USAF wants is an AARGM or AARGM-ER variant with a multi-sensor seeker similar to the SDBII which would be a multi-sensor system that not only uses radar (passive and active) but also Infrared and who knows maybe Laser as well??


Typically the warhead will differ significantly, depending on the target. A warhead optimized for taking out radar emitters, may not be suitable for other uses. It sounds like the USAF wants a different warhead/sensor, to go after non-emitting/moving/hardened targets. It sounds like the SIAW is intended to be sort of a long range, M3 SDB2 type weapon.
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Unread post14 Jan 2020, 22:48

wrightwing wrote:Typically the warhead will differ significantly, depending on the target. A warhead optimized for taking out radar emitters, may not be suitable for other uses. It sounds like the USAF wants a different warhead/sensor, to go after non-emitting/moving/hardened targets. It sounds like the SIAW is intended to be sort of a long range, M3 SDB2 type weapon.


Yes, it makes sense that such weapon (SIAW) will use a different warhead when compared to the AARGM-ER.

It could also be (my speculation, of course) that due to having more sensors that when SIAW is employed in Anti-Radiation mode/task that it uses passive radar homing seeker to so after the enemy Air Defense Radar (like the regular HARM or AARGM would do) but once it gets close it would switch to another seeker such as IR for example and instead of going directly after the radar antenna it would go directly against the vehicle where the enemy radar is mounted at which means that a "general purpose" and more powerful warhead would work and perform the job successfully.
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post15 Jan 2020, 03:58

The budget documents mention anti-radiation homing(ARH)/UAI integration i.e. providing an emitter
descriptor (like a GPS jammer) to the missile via UAI.

So it's totally possible that someone just mis-expanded the acronym in the solicitation.

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