Raytheon Unveils New Air-to-Air Missile [Peregrine]

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Unread post17 Sep 2019, 02:43

I don't think the implications of a weapon like this can be overstated. There have been a number of game changing technological advances in the world of WVR combat over the years - the advent of rear aspect guided missiles, then all-aspect guided missiles, high off-boresight missiles coupled to HMDs and now this.

We are now entering an era where tactical aircraft are able to take high pK missile shots at WVR opponents irrespective of the orientation of the launch aircraft to its target. The F35 is well positioned to lead the way in this realm by using EODAS (nevermind offboard sensors via datalink) to track its targets and cue its missile shots.

Personally I think this concept has the most promise relative to the AIM9X or CUDA. The Sidewinder is unlikely to have anywhere near the same reach and can't be carried internally on the F35, while the CUDA lacks the multi-modal guidance or frag warhead that better suit taking down a future 5th gen target.

I can imagine a loadout of 4 Peregrine and 4 JATM becoming commonplace for F35's on air to air sorties.
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Unread post17 Sep 2019, 02:54

citanon wrote:Is it just me or does this thing look like a baby standard missile?

Indeed, it is very similar to SM-2
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Unread post17 Sep 2019, 03:26

Corsair1963 wrote:If, sidekick gives the F-35 the ability to carry 6 Amraams. Couldn't the F-35 carry 12 Peregrines in their place??? How did you could up with 8????


I think he was considering just the currently configured launchers with single rail launchers. However, given that you would have to totally redesign the rails to accommodate the Peregrine, I don't see them going that way. Even on a external launcher, you will need some type of ejector launcher since one missile is directly behind the other. Given the size is suspiciously almost identical with the SDB II (Coincidence? I think not), I would think they are planning on using something akin to a BRU-61/A modified with ejectors (BRU-61/B?) that fits in the same space. If that is the plan, you still end up with 4 per bay plus two on the rail on the door for a total of 12.
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Unread post17 Sep 2019, 04:39

OP says 150 lbs weight approx. whilst this article says 50 lbs? Why don't we just find the RAYTHEON PR and it is done. :doh:
Raytheon unveils new air-to-air missile design
16 Sep 2019 Aaron Mehta

"...“Through the use of additive manufacturing and readily available materials, it effectively doubles the number of missiles current fighter jets can carry, at a significantly lower cost than current weapons,” the statement said. The weapon will be about 50 pounds and 6 feet long...."

Source: https://www.defensenews.com/digital-sho ... le-design/
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Unread post17 Sep 2019, 04:40

spazsinbad wrote:
Raytheon Unveils New Air-to-Air Missile OP quoted
16 Sep 2019 John A. Tirpak

"...The weapon is expected to measure just under 6 feet long and 150 pounds, less than half the weight and length of Raytheon's AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile and AIM-9X Sidewinder that fly on fighters across the Defense Department...."

Source: http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pag ... ssile.aspx


RAYTHEON PR: no help http://raytheon.mediaroom.com/2019-09-1 ... ir-missile
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Unread post17 Sep 2019, 05:35

Raytheon and Lockheed are taking two completely different approaches to their SACM concept.
Lockheeds CUDA uses ACMs (attitude control motors) and a kinetic hit-to-kill warhead.
According to Raytheon the Peregrine will use "manneuverability characteristics of the AIM-9X” (most likely thrust vectoring control) and a blast fragmentation warhead.

SMSgtMAC's analysis and breakdown of the CUDA
https://elementsofpower.blogspot.com/20 ... e.html?m=1

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https://elementsofpower.blogspot.com/20 ... e.html?m=1
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Unread post17 Sep 2019, 05:38

Come to think of it this makes me wonder what brevity code you'd use for a missile with multi modal guidance. Fox 5 perhaps?
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Unread post17 Sep 2019, 06:13

spazsinbad wrote:OP says 150 lbs weight approx. whilst this article says 50 lbs? Why don't we just find the RAYTHEON PR and it is done. :doh:
Raytheon unveils new air-to-air missile design
16 Sep 2019 Aaron Mehta

"...“Through the use of additive manufacturing and readily available materials, it effectively doubles the number of missiles current fighter jets can carry, at a significantly lower cost than current weapons,” the statement said. The weapon will be about 50 pounds and 6 feet long...."

Source: https://www.defensenews.com/digital-sho ... le-design/


AW&ST also reported 150 lb.

"Raytheon lists the Peregrine with a length of 6 ft. (1.8 m) and a total weight of about 150 lb. (68 kg), or roughly half the length and mass of the 12-ft., 335-lb. AIM-120. Although Peregrine shares a common stature with Lockheed’s Cuda concept, there are distinct differences. Lockheed designed the Cuda as a hit-to-kill weapon, but the Peregrine destroys the target with a blast-fragmentation warhead. "
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Unread post17 Sep 2019, 06:35

citanon wrote:Is it just me or does this thing look like a baby standard missile?


Iranian SM-1 knock-off 'Sayyad-2' SAM is closer.

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Unread post17 Sep 2019, 06:42

blain wrote:More reasons not to buy the F-15EX, or whatever they are calling it.


However, how many could an EX carry? You could call it an, "Arsenal Plane" ... wow!

Someone at Boeing's thinking that. :mrgreen:
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Unread post17 Sep 2019, 06:48

citanon wrote:Is it just me or does this thing look like a baby standard missile?

Are you saying it's "sub-Standard"???
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Unread post17 Sep 2019, 12:56

boogieman wrote:Come to think of it this makes me wonder what brevity code you'd use for a missile with multi modal guidance. Fox 5 perhaps?


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Unread post17 Sep 2019, 14:26

boogieman wrote:Come to think of it this makes me wonder what brevity code you'd use for a missile with multi modal guidance. Fox 5 perhaps?


And why not Fox 4? As far as I know It isn't used, is it?
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Unread post17 Sep 2019, 16:15

ricnunes wrote:
boogieman wrote:Come to think of it this makes me wonder what brevity code you'd use for a missile with multi modal guidance. Fox 5 perhaps?


And why not Fox 4? As far as I know It isn't used, is it?

Fox 4 is unguided. Rockets, guns (technically, even though "guns guns guns" is used)
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Unread post17 Sep 2019, 16:53

usnvo wrote:Why stop there? How about 2ea on Sta 5/7, 4ea on Sta 4/8, 4 ea on Sta 3/9, 4ea on Sta 2/10, and 2ea on Sta 1/11 for a grand total of 32! Or really go all in, you could develop a missile launcher for Sta 6 (I mean who needs a gun with 36 missiles!).

:drool: I ate that idea. :pint:
That idea my dream deepened and even more I become greedy, Add 2 to the sidewinder pylon, I shaped the my Ultimate Dream...! 8)
It's...38!!!!! :devil: @@@@@@(Greatest Greed)
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I missed the centerline Gun Pod part. :doh: I managed to fit in that space. 8)
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