Raytheon Unveils New Air-to-Air Missile [Peregrine]

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Unread post06 Oct 2019, 16:17

Perigrine falcon is the fastest animal on earth, according to at least some sources.

It doesn't sound like it'll be the fastest missile though, as it was described as "supersonic" by a Raytheon official. But he then stated it would be faster than what we currently had, which I found odd. Missile speeds in the west actually regressed after the Phoenix, which could travel at Mach 5 (and allegedly tracked at almost mach 6, after being fired from an Iranian Tomcat traveling at mach 2.3, eventually downing a Foxbat).

In any case, something that's half the size/weight of AMRAAM, covers the entire 9x/AIM-120 range envelope and has agility like a 9x.... is sorely needed.

This is obviously a game changer not just for the F-35, but every US aircraft carrying it... even our legacy birds. I wonder if USAF has any plans to put it on the B-21. Would make a lot of sense IMO, as even PCA isn't going to have the legs to escort B-21's into the heart of Western China..
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Unread post07 Oct 2019, 00:47

[quote="mixelflick"]

This is obviously a game changer not just for the F-35, but every US aircraft carrying it... even our legacy birds. I wonder if USAF has any plans to put it on the B-21. Would make a lot of sense IMO, as even PCA isn't going to have the legs to escort B-21's into the heart of Western China..[/quote]

U.S. Air Force’s new B-21 bomber will likely have air-to-air defense capabilities.

The U.S. Air Force’s new stealth bomber, the B-21 Raider, will likely have air-to-air defense capabilities, just like modern fighter jets.

In an op-ed for the Air Force Magazine, Pacific Air Forces Director of Air and Cyber Operations Maj. Gen Scott L. Pleus confirmed that next-generation bomber will have new capabilities for self-defense during flight.

Maj. Gen Scott L. Pleus exposed details of new equipment and new concepts in order to sustain Air Force’s air superiority in the decades to come, adding that “a B-21 that also has air-to-air capabilities”.


Previously, the Air Force’s leaders also said that new B-21 Raider is a long-range and highly-survivable aircraft capable of penetrating air defenses and conducting a range of critical missions.

Sources familiar with the development of next-generation bomber said the B-21 Raider would be fitted with advanced radar that will be provided air-to-air capabilities. For air-to-air defense, the new bomber also would be added capability to carry air-to-air missiles.

The B-21 Raider program has a mature and stable design and is now transitioning to manufacturing development of the first test aircraft. Northrop Grumman is utilizing its Melbourne facility for the design and development of the B-21 Raider.

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Unread post11 Oct 2019, 15:07

I have question about AIM-120 but I expect it would be similar for any AAM, how F-35 launch second AIM-120 from weapon bay, one which isn't on doors? Is there any video of that? When I google I only find videos where it lauch missile on door not from belly.
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Unread post11 Oct 2019, 15:39

milosh wrote:I have question about AIM-120 but I expect it would be similar for any AAM, how F-35 launch second AIM-120 from weapon bay, one which isn't on doors? Is there any video of that? When I google I only find videos where it lauch missile on door not from belly.


The F-35 pneumatically ejects all AIM-120 missiles. The missiles fired off the [i]door-mounted[i] station are physically pushed off the mounting station using pneumatic ejectors. Now that you mention it, I do not recall any test video of AIM-120's having been launched from inside the weapons bay. However, the launch will use the same mechanism: physically pushing the AIM-120's off the station using pneumatic (high pressure air) ejectors.

I do recall an interview or quote from an airman who was very happy with the pneumatics -- makes for a very clean weapons bay.
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Unread post11 Oct 2019, 17:39

steve2267 wrote:The F-35 pneumatically ejects all AIM-120 missiles. The missiles fired off the [i]door-mounted[i] station are physically pushed off the mounting station using pneumatic ejectors. Now that you mention it, I do not recall any test video of AIM-120's having been launched from inside the weapons bay. However, the launch will use the same mechanism: physically pushing the AIM-120's off the station using pneumatic (high pressure air) ejectors.

I do recall an interview or quote from an airman who was very happy with the pneumatics -- makes for a very clean weapons bay.


I expect it eject missiles but I was surprise when tried to find video of second AIM-120 launch test.
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Unread post11 Oct 2019, 18:51

I didn't find a video of belly launch, but I found a photo.
If guess from the shape, is it Low in Bay (LIB) Adapter?
https://www.afmc.af.mil/News/Article-Di ... t-testing/
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Unread post20 Oct 2019, 07:43


Check 1:20 for a very clear shot of the door-mounted AMRAAM launch
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Unread post22 Nov 2019, 00:17

The more I look at this the more I think simply putting AIM9X-style thrust vectoring on the AIM260 makes more sense. If the addition of TVC adversely affects range performance too much you could simply have a non-TVC version for longer range BVR shots (AIM260A & AIM260B?).

Granted, this would be a more expensive weapon than Peregrine but it would give you the kind of kinematic overmatch you want against the likes of Su35, Su57 and J20 in the WVR regime. When paired with AN/AAQ37 it would also give the F35 the ridiculous ability to take high pK WVR missile shots irrespective of orientation to the bandit (and to some degree irrespective of energy state). With both F22 and F35 capable of carrying 6 of them (ref sidekick) I don't see magazine depth as being that big of a problem.
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Unread post22 Nov 2019, 18:25

litzj wrote:https://jaesan-aero.blogspot.com/2019/11/russian-cudaski.html

Russian CUDAski is available??


Nice find, it look like we need thread about mini missiles.

New Russian missile is interesting one. No dorsal fins, missile body have slight conical shape and there are six or maybe eight holes :? small rocket thrusters?
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Unread post22 Nov 2019, 18:29

milosh wrote:six or maybe eight holes :? small rocket thrusters?

Those appear to me to be apertures for the laser proximity fuze.
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Unread post22 Nov 2019, 18:38

lbk000 wrote:
milosh wrote:six or maybe eight holes :? small rocket thrusters?

Those appear to me to be apertures for the laser proximity fuze.


Yeap, R-77 which is also on photo lead me to think that isn't laser fuzes, because it doens't have those holes, while live missile have them.
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Unread post23 Nov 2019, 00:53

boogieman wrote:The more I look at this the more I think simply putting AIM9X-style thrust vectoring on the AIM260 makes more sense. If the addition of TVC adversely affects range performance too much you could simply have a non-TVC version for longer range BVR shots (AIM260A & AIM260B?).

Granted, this would be a more expensive weapon than Peregrine but it would give you the kind of kinematic overmatch you want against the likes of Su35, Su57 and J20 in the WVR regime. When paired with AN/AAQ37 it would also give the F35 the ridiculous ability to take high pK WVR missile shots irrespective of orientation to the bandit (and to some degree irrespective of energy state). With both F22 and F35 capable of carrying 6 of them (ref sidekick) I don't see magazine depth as being that big of a problem.


Kinematics aren't the major issue for F-22s and F-35s. It's a bigger issue for the 4th generation jets that'll be in service till the 2040s. Large magazine depth will also be of use, depending on the threats, as F-22s and F-35s can carry 12 Peregrines/SACM/CUDA or whatever the settled name ends up being. The AIM-260 and/or LREW will be useful at killing assets that enable Su-35/57s and J-20/31s. Nobody's going to be shooting LO aircraft at 300km, though. That's where magazine depth comes in.
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Unread post23 Nov 2019, 07:01

milosh wrote:No dorsal fins, missile body have slight conical shape and there are six or maybe eight holes :? small rocket thrusters?
It has tail grid fins. Having tail fins only is ok just as ASRAAM has shown.
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