Towed Decoys

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 10 Jun 2019, 05:54

The F-35 does have chaff for the other horsedogs to eat. There is a thread of course....

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/ ... cation.pdf (1.4Mb)

download/file.php?id=30519&mode=view

AN/ASQ-239 Electronic warfare/countermeasure system
https://www.baesystems.com/en/download- ... 878736.pdf (150Kb) attached

I'll delete the incorrect nomenclature in the zoom part of the old image to repost it. CORRECTED JPG Attached now.

taog · by **taog** » 10 Jun 2019, 06:35

spazsinbad wrote:The F-35 does have chaff for the other horsedogs to eat. There is a thread of course....

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/ ... cation.pdf (1.4Mb)

download/file.php?id=30519&mode=view

AN/ASQ-239 Electronic warfare/countermeasure system
https://www.baesystems.com/en/download- ... 878736.pdf (150Kb) attached

No, that's not the chaff. That site of the RFCM (RF counter measurement) is represented the four ALE-70 tow decoys.

taog · by **taog** » 10 Jun 2019, 06:42

This is the ALE-70 canister.

This is the ALE-55 canister.

And the site for ALE-70 (A) and IRCM (F).

wrightwing · by **wrightwing** » 10 Jun 2019, 06:45

The F-35 has chaff, flares, and towed decoys. There is no debate on this.

taog · by **taog** » 10 Jun 2019, 06:53

wrightwing wrote:The F-35 has chaff, flares, and towed decoys. There is no debate on this.

So where is the room for chaff ? Integrated and shared the room with IRCM ? Or it shared the same space with the towed decoy ?

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 10 Jun 2019, 07:01

'taog' the three images do not show up here (in IE 11 anyway) - I gotta go so here is the BAE PDF in GIF format also.

https://www.baesystems.com/en/download- ... 878736.pdf

taog · by **taog** » 10 Jun 2019, 07:09

spazsinbad wrote:'taog' the three images do not show up here (in IE 11 anyway) - I gotta go so here is the BAE PDF in GIF format also.

https://www.baesystems.com/en/download- ... 878736.pdf

I have read. But i don't see the chaff....

The description for ALE-70 is:

"The ALE-70 Towed Decoy is a countermeasures dispenser system designed to fit into the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) aircraft. The ALE-70 provides aircraft self-protection against radar guided missiles.
Funds procure all system components: decoys, canisters, and explosive cartridges to deploy the decoys. "

That canister in the picture is used to contain the decoy. And there are 4 canister on the F-35 as you showed above.

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=53652&fbclid=IwAR0Pz7q08gQS9RIo371OtizGVcrCxzg32lU_F-g0pC7v1HLZlJHficdpoqA

viewtopic.php?f=62&t=50951&hilit=countermeasures+dispenser&fbclid=IwAR22hUCc-LGz4SA2TQXyjDy-Sw7dlq2DV2dqye2_0vZ9xZmcJrheDRXmK-g

Dragon029 · by **Dragon029** » 10 Jun 2019, 08:28

taog wrote:
wrightwing wrote:The F-35 has chaff, flares, and towed decoys. There is no debate on this.

So where is the room for chaff ? Integrated and shared the room with IRCM ? Or it shared the same space with the towed decoy ?

It'll share the same space as the flares (in a separate bucket, etc). At present it sounds like chaff hasn't been actively implemented (with stealth, AESA jamming and ALE-70 decoys / jammers it'd be slightly redundant), but in public F-35 simulator demonstrations cockpit displays have shown both flares and chaff available to the pilot.

I suspect that integration would be quite minimal; countermeasure programs would be set by pilots (with any default configurations likely coming from mission data files rather than Block 3F, etc operating system software) and flight testing might not strictly be required if their deployment method is considered to be sufficiently similar to that of existing flares. The only real question would be whether the software would recognise / can be programmed by the pilot to consider a bucket of chaff to different than flares.

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 10 Jun 2019, 09:45

Dragon029 wrote:
taog wrote:
wrightwing wrote:The F-35 has chaff, flares, and towed decoys. There is no debate on this.

So where is the room for chaff ? Integrated and shared the room with IRCM ? Or it shared the same space with the towed decoy ?

It'll share the same space as the flares (in a separate bucket, etc). At present it sounds like chaff hasn't been actively implemented (with stealth, AESA jamming and ALE-70 decoys / jammers it'd be slightly redundant), but in public F-35 simulator demonstrations cockpit displays have shown both flares and chaff available to the pilot.

I suspect that integration would be quite minimal; countermeasure programs would be set by pilots (with any default configurations likely coming from mission data files rather than Block 3F, etc operating system software) and flight testing might not strictly be required if their deployment method is considered to be sufficiently similar to that of existing flares. The only real question would be whether the software would recognise / can be programmed by the pilot to consider a bucket of chaff to different than flares.

Yep. I made a big error in haste. The CHAFF & FLARES are in a mixed container: [I'll add a 26 page PDF about stuff]

RIGHT NOW & recently was a busy time for me so I still cannot see the images posted by 'taog' (but I can see them by following the URLs) that was not helpful for the conversation. Anyway this is the chaff/flare bucket DRAGON refers.

OK NOW I see the three 'taog' images - they have just appeared because I looked at them separately so now they are in my internet explorer 11 cache but I STILL do not see them in EDGE or Firefox (because I have not looked at them separately there). This gets tiresome to explain. Some websites do not allow 'hot linking' so images do not appear for others to view.

http://www.sibat.mod.gov.il/Industries/ ... 015_16.pdf

taog · by **taog** » 10 Jun 2019, 09:56

@spazsinbad

Thx a lot !

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 10 Jun 2019, 10:01

taog wrote:@spazsinbad - Thx a lot !

For what? Do you require me to put the three invisible images into 1 image to attach here or somewhere else (invisible)?

taog · by **taog** » 10 Jun 2019, 10:08

spazsinbad wrote:
taog wrote:@spazsinbad - Thx a lot !

For what? Do you require me to put the three invisible images into 1 image to attach here or somewhere else (invisible)?

Your new pdf. Thanks, great information.

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 10 Jun 2019, 10:17

OK. No worries. I'll try NOT to answer questions in haste in future, but I did not know about the RFCM dispenser (this is all mind boggling stuff to me). Can anyone else see the missing 3 'taog' images? Or do you see nada or Xs / crosses.

steve2267 · by **steve2267** » 10 Jun 2019, 13:10

You're not crazy Spaz... I see no Taog images either.

Dragon029 · by **Dragon029** » 10 Jun 2019, 13:47

I couldn't see them either, so I had to quote his post, grab the urls and paste them into the address bar manually. They're appearing for me now, but that might be because of the image caching you mentioned Spaz.